Smooth Nut Removal and Receiver Give

[RC20]

I only got "upset" when you misconstrued what I said about the merits of a barrel vise, and also belittled me for it. I said I am able to tighten it down very hard with no ill effects like what can happen with an action wrench. I said I was offering free advise, I did not assume you were asking for any advice. It wasn't a personal slam on you or your choice of tools. Your arrogance coupled with very little practical experience whatsoever (and absolutely none with a barrel vise) is what ticked me off. But, frankly, I don't give a sht.

Ok, maybe we can agree to disagree.

I assume you care because you have responded. I also care.

I do think you spun it out to turn it into a choice of tools and then started to change what the post was about and that is the use of an action wrench, what force is being required to remove nuts these days as well as the crush issue on the receiver with that tool. there is no perfect tool and people choose tools based on what suits them, not right or wrong.

I will point out, I grew up where we not only had to make do, my dad was a mechanic and we pretty much had a farm type existence with keeping things working.

So while I am new to the Savage work, I have been working with, around and creating solutions to equipment and machinery problems for something around 55 years. If you want to call that arrogance you are welcome to do so. I am a designated engineer (no letters) for my facility because of that experience as well as willing to stand my ground when I believe I am right (though in this case I believe its a matter of tool preference and not right or wrong)


some of this is obvious practical mechanical sense. some of this is Savage specific and I hope you will note I don't just throw out an opinion in areas that are and I have no experience with.


And no I do not have nor intend to have any experience with a barrel vice. It does not fit what works for me, obviously it does for you and others. If asked I will support the action wrench and why. To me it looks like a some and some boiling down to what suits any given person and how they work as well as how much of it they do and how much bench space they have.

[m12lrs]

From what I've read previously on this site, when using a barrel vice and action wrench there exists the possibility of damaging the action by twisting it if using an action wrench that puts torque on the back of the action, instead of the front.

One disadvantage I can see from this method when removing a stock barrel is that you not only have to overcome the the locking force imposed by some kind of thread sealant or thread mis-fit due to machining tolerances, but also the clamping force of the barrel nut that some gorilla installed while doing chin-ups on a 24 inch breaker bar.:o

I had to deal with both issues when removing the stock barrel I mentioned earlier in the thread.

But for switch barrel users, or those who install their own barrels, it's probably the easiest way to go because you KNOW the barrel fits well and how much torque is on the nut. Less tools, less time, and perhaps you don't have to remove the barreled action from the stock? Pretty handy, especially if your action is bonded to the stock.

Anyone want to post a link to their favorite action wrench to use with a barrel vice? I'm in the mood to add some new tools to my tool box.

this is the one I have

Northland Shooters Supply (NSS) Action WrenchWhen Savage went to the 4.4″ short-action action-screw spacing, the clearances on most action wrenches became an issue. For shooters using one of the premium recoil lugs with the alignment pins, the clearance on the alignment pins became an interference issue. To correct this problem, Northland Shooters Supply has designed an action wrench called the NSS Action Wrench which corrects for these interference issues. Here are some points that are addressed with the NSS Action Wrench design:


Modifications to the cap portion and the main body of the action wrench to make it compatable with the new centerfeed short action Savage actions.
All NSS Action Wrenches are fully radiused on all working surfaces.
All working surfaces are micro machined to avoid coarse contact surfaces.
The recoil lug notch is clearanced for all brands of recoil lugs.
The lower portion of the NSS Action Wrench has been machined for easy and secure mounting into a bench vise with the handle removed.
The new NSS Action Wrench will work with all Savage Model 10, 110 – 11, 111 – 12, 112 – 14, 114 -16, 116 as well as all Rem/Age conversions on Remington model 700 rifles.
Most importantly, all components including the hardened bolts, hardened washers, Unbrako socket head cap screw and allen wrench are 100% “Made in the USA”.

Northland is able to offer this product at a competitive pricing of $60.00.

[WeldNFool]

What kind of wood are they using in the barrel vises? Don't want to hijack the thread but saw some mention "wood blocks" in their barrel vises and wondered if it was a soft wood, pine or hardwood. I would assume a soft wood like pine would be better. I have 15 feet of 1" x 4" A50 plate, 3/4" threaded rod and a mag drill so whipping up a barrel vise in the shop would be easy.

[foxx]

^^^oak

[foxx]

From what I've read previously on this site, when using a barrel vice and action wrench there exists the possibility of damaging the action by twisting it if using an action wrench that puts torque on the back of the action, instead of the front.

One disadvantage I can see from this method when removing a stock barrel is that you not only have to overcome the the locking force imposed by some kind of thread sealant or thread mis-fit due to machining tolerances, but also the clamping force of the barrel nut that some gorilla installed while doing chin-ups on a 24 inch breaker bar.:o

I had to deal with both issues when removing the stock barrel I mentioned earlier in the thread.

But for switch barrel users, or those who install their own barrels, it's probably the easiest way to go because you KNOW the barrel fits well and how much torque is on the nut. Less tools, less time, and perhaps you don't have to remove the barreled action from the stock? Pretty handy, especially if your action is bonded to the stock.

Anyone want to post a link to their favorite action wrench to use with a barrel vice? I'm in the mood to add some new tools to my tool box.

THere are different types. I don't know what they are all called. One MIGHT be called "rear entry, in line wrench" (some how that sounds perverted???). These "rear entry " slide into the inside of the action like the bolt and grip along the rails... they can twist an action if the barrel is too tight to begin with. Most people who use them know enough to be careful and not try to remove factory installed barrels with them. The NSS and Wheeler etc do not cause actions to twist. THey are designed specifically NOT to do so. THey wrap around and clamp to the outside of the action and sometimes encorporate a hardened screw thru the action screw hole. Some are better than others, NSS might be an example. But none of them of this type should ever cause twisting of the action.

[foxx]

Ok, maybe we can agree to disagree.

I assume you care because you have responded. I also care.

I do think you spun it out to turn it into a choice of tools and then started to change what the post was about and that is the use of an action wrench, what force is being required to remove nuts these days as well as the crush issue on the receiver with that tool. there is no perfect tool and people choose tools based on what suits them, not right or wrong.

I will point out, I grew up where we not only had to make do, my dad was a mechanic and we pretty much had a farm type existence with keeping things working.

So while I am new to the Savage work, I have been working with, around and creating solutions to equipment and machinery problems for something around 55 years. If you want to call that arrogance you are welcome to do so. I am a designated engineer (no letters) for my facility because of that experience as well as willing to stand my ground when I believe I am right (though in this case I believe its a matter of tool preference and not right or wrong)


some of this is obvious practical mechanical sense. some of this is Savage specific and I hope you will note I don't just throw out an opinion in areas that are and I have no experience with.


And no I do not have nor intend to have any experience with a barrel vice. It does not fit what works for me, obviously it does for you and others. If asked I will support the action wrench and why. To me it looks like a some and some boiling down to what suits any given person and how they work as well as how much of it they do and how much bench space they have.

Also, the only reason I suggested the barrel vise was because of the issues you were having with your action wrench. Sometimes you need different tools and tactics to get the job done, depending upon what "problems" you come across. This is particularly true when it comes to removing and installing barrels on Savages. As I said about my own experience, Sharp Shooter Supply, THE "Savage Guru", bar none, recommended I try a barrel vise for the exact same reason some time ago. I also resisted his advice because the action wrench seemed like a better, more sophisticated, more "proper" tool for the job, but I learned that sometimes the barrels were too difficult to remove and/or install without a barrel vise. Once I got one, I discovered I never really needed the action wrench for Savages. I do like them for Remingtons, though.

Furthermore, as my grandmother used to say, "Smart people learn from their mistakes... but REALLY smart people learn from OTHER people's mistakes."

Been there, done that. ;)