Review my technique

[doctnj]

Yeah, long range said the same thing about my shoulder. I got to the range before the wife did yesterday and specifically worked on my shoulder position. It's hard to tell when your by yourself but I could feel me rolling my shoulder forward to "wrap" the but stock. I think that developed from bad recoil management initially.

[doctnj]

Off topic kind of. But anyone heard of sarges shooting bags? Need pump pillow but dang I have to buy 2 of everything. Sarges are much better price.

[LoneWolf]

Surges or Sarges?


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[doctnj]

Sarges darn auto correct

[LoneWolf]

I just got one of his "Wild Bill" bags. About the perfect balance between a rear bag and barricade bag. He is a one man shop though and it took a little over a month to get delivered.

I believe Wiebad has a package deal now willing gets you pretty everything you should ever need as far as bags go for like $200. A solid deal for sure.


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[doctnj]

If he possibly has 2 in stock I'll grab them otherwise I'll go with WB. Practice shows how bad that bag is needed and if a lot of guys are running one don't want to start off at a disadvantage.

[LongRange]

Doc you must be a popular guy your in box is full.

[Texas10]

Learned a lot on this topic. I too was bringing my shoulder up and into the stock. Now it's taking quite a bit of effort to break that habit, not to mention my groups are all over the place as I learn a new technique.

Relax, relax relax.........Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[doctnj]

So we found out for sure there will be some barrels in the next match as well as some culverts. So we set out to get in some practice and try out new positions. There was a barrel stage in the last match as well and I blanked that stage. T smoked it on the other hand. Here goes the excuses. She is short like 5 ft nothing. So the barrel is real comfortable for her. But I screwed up selection of gear to use on that stage and wound up with an unsupported rifle wobbling all over the place. T had gone right before me and I tried to use the same bag combination and my rifle wouldnt fit over the barrel. The cadex competition tube on my rifle is longer than standard tube and that put my bipod further away from the grip. So when I set my rifle on the barrel, it caused me to not be able to use the rear bag set up T did. We were shooting at a 6 inch target at around 350 so I just couldnt pull it off.

Well this is what we worked out. T still sets her bipod on top of barrel with use of pillow long ways. During the video review we saw how she was switching out hands on the grip to work the bolt. Toward the end of the video she settled down and rested her elbow on the rim of the barrel for a more stable position although she was hitting well at all distances. Another piece of gear we both tried and really liked for this is the loophole sling. It helped take the wobble out of the barrel and really helped my set up.


https://youtu.be/bNqab-erIZw

[doctnj]

This is my technique for now anyhow. I lengthened my bipod so I could let it float down past the lip on the front, also laying on a pillow long ways. Using the loophole sling to pull tight against the back of the bipod. I rested my fore arm on the barrel and interlocked both hands on and under the handle/lip of barrel for rear support. I feel like Im basically locked into the barrel then rocked the whole thing just a tiny bit to change elevations.

I did have a problem durning the video and its something I will have to be very careful with. If I dont set up centered on the barrel the bipod starts to walk toward the short side during recoil because Im pulling against it. I set up again later and made sure I was centered and the loophole sling was right down the line of recoil and I stayed put pretty well.


https://youtu.be/DIsU8pTxtZc

[doctnj]

Part of this stage will have a barrel on its side. We assumed it was going to be across the barrel so that is what we practiced. Really this position seemed pretty easy and self explanatory. I know since we have to transition that we will basically use same stuff for both positions. I knelt on the pillow. The gravel road we were on was painful but it did put me at a pretty good height. Ill need to play with this a bit more. T out shot me in both positions in slow fire but I took it when the timer went on!!


https://youtu.be/ZNeQSifexZ8



https://youtu.be/dKKtIi0FJgU

[LoneWolf]

This is my technique for now anyhow. I lengthened my bipod so I could let it float down past the lip on the front, also laying on a pillow long ways. Using the loophole sling to pull tight against the back of the bipod. I rested my fore arm on the barrel and interlocked both hands on and under the handle/lip of barrel for rear support. I feel like Im basically locked into the barrel then rocked the whole thing just a tiny bit to change elevations.

I did have a problem durning the video and its something I will have to be very careful with. If I dont set up centered on the barrel the bipod starts to walk toward the short side during recoil because Im pulling against it. I set up again later and made sure I was centered and the loophole sling was right down the line of recoil and I stayed put pretty well.

Close or remove your bipod and go to a high kneeling or double kneeling position. Keep the barrel flat on the ground and put weight on the rifle to keep everything stable. you're forcing the position here and do not look comfortable at all. another option is to add an attachment point to move your bipod closer for these type of surfaces. Spend some time dry firing and build a more solid position.

[doctnj]

I watched your video the other day, and that was the very first position I tried when I picked up my barrel. I watched your kneeling technique. Ill try it again but it felt very odd. I have to leave the bipod on for this stage for the second half, the barrel on its side. I am open to suggestions and will give it a try and see how I can make it work.

[doctnj]

Alright its official. I like the double kneeling position. I was able to hold on a tiny shaft of light between the leaves in the woods behind my house so yeah I think I can hit a rather small target like that. I threw on a regular sling to see if I thought it tightened up. Maybe. It did tighten up the side of the barrel as did the loophole sling so I will probably use it. Ill be doing some more live fire next weekend to acid test it. I think one reason I didnt like it before is using the wrong bag. I used the regular size pump style pillow the first time and it was way too high. This time I used one that is same length and width but have and thick and it works perfectly. It supports the rifle from the bipod all the way back to the mag and the mag touches lightly if I want it to.

So that keeps with the principle of "Get Low".

[LoneWolf]

Good to hear! If it doesn't feel natural or close to then you probably need to make an adjustment, always easier in practice than it is on the clock!


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[doctnj]

T will probably have to continue to stand. I don't think she could see over the barrel if she knelt down lol. But she does good with that technique.

Most of the stages are pretty common. There is going to be culverts. Just don't know if we are going to shoot over the top or through the center.

[LoneWolf]

If she ever has doubts just show her this video of a buddy of mine. Nate Webnar of Short Action Precision is the smallest competitor in the PRS bar none! He carries a tactical stool with him for those stages that are normally to tall for him!

https://youtu.be/T8ih8dyZ-jY


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[doctnj]

Ive watched him before but she has never seen the video. Ill be sure she watches it.

[doctnj]

We did put a couple large bags on the ground for her to kneel on and it was a no go by the way. I really appreciate your help. Also I want to say in general that I appreciate anyone who takes the time to put video on youtube on this matter. The amount of videos is fairly limited and there are a lot of different scenarios a shooter can find themselves in. For new competitors as well as those that arent so new, seeing and having a chance to try a different approach before a match is very valuable. Case in point when I shot off the barrel in match. You think I looked unstable in my video you should have seen the match. It was ugly. A lot of firsts that day lol.

Right now Im fighting my OCD and not pissing off the match director by asking why the stage description and the drawing of the range targets with ranges dont match. He is going to kick me out for asking too many questions I just know it.

[LoneWolf]

No problem. I don't try to be brash, I just try to keep my responses simple. A lot of it is trial and error and creating a shooting style that works for you. I try to stay a minimalist as much as possible.

1. I don't like to haul a ton of gear around matches.
2. You start to become to reliant on the gear.
3. if you only practice one way many times it doesn't work. I use my gear to try and create a position I'm familiar with when I don't have gear. i.e. the height of the rifle. Sometimes a bag with bring the rifle up to a height that is much more comfortable to work with.

The last thing is to just have fun and not completely over think the course of fire!