10 predator flier

[scionxb3003]

Ever since I bought the max 1 in 243win I've been having an issue with a first round flier. We are talking 3 inches at 100 yards. What could cause this? The next 4 shots are one jagged hole and it is always the first rounds that does it.

[LongRange]

have you let someone else shoot it?

[scionxb3003]

Actually no... I might try that

[darkker]

Either barrel stress, or shooter error.

[rbp75503]

1st shot of the day (Clean cold bore shot-cold bore shot)? or 1st shot each 5 round string?

Barrel free floated muzzle to lug including barrel nut?

[scionxb3003]

1st shot of the day (Clean cold bore shot-cold bore shot)? or 1st shot each 5 round string?

Barrel free floated muzzle to lug including barrel nut?

First shot in a 5 shot string. I haven't cleaned the barrel in close to 100 rounds. It is ALWAYS the first shot. Barrel is free floated and stock torque was checked twice just to be sure it was within specs. Bullet weight doesn't matter, does it will all 3 weights I reload, 58,75,95 and does it with factory ammo as well. I predator hunt so setting the scope to the first shot doesn't really help me since I tend to need more then one shot if I call in pairs or packs.

[scionxb3003]

Either barrel stress, or shooter error.

Not doubting you because I asked for help, but what error could I be making on the first shot every time and not on my follow up shots? I mean that seriously, don't want anyone to think I'm being condescending.

[scionxb3003]

Mind you in I tend to take 3-4 rifles to the range at a time, rifles stay resting standing up with the bolt open between groups.

[rbp75503]

I would suspect it is heat related.
First I would loosen the action bolts and stand the rifle on the stock and tighten the front bolt to spec and tighten the rear bolt to 15 inch/lbs.
Next I would suggest re-checking free float with two(2) index cards all the way to the face of the lug.

[scionxb3003]

I'll try torquing it that way an see. I used a playing card to check free float without and resistance.

[87tpita]

Maybe an action not bedding properly.... have you tryed loading the mag with 3 or 4 instead of 5 and seeing if there is a difference... also cycle your first round and eject it.. look if there is any noticable marks on the bullet or casing.. is there a different feel when closing the bolt on the first round out of the mag?

[scionxb3003]

Maybe an action not bedding properly.... have you tryed loading the mag with 3 or 4 instead of 5 and seeing if there is a difference... also cycle your first round and eject it.. look if there is any noticable marks on the bullet or casing.. is there a different feel when closing the bolt on the first round out of the mag?

All things I'm going to try and see if it works

[darkker]

Not doubting you because I asked for help, but what error could I be making on the first shot every time and not on my follow up shots? I mean that seriously, don't want anyone to think I'm being condescending.

If it's Shooter error who knows, but usually eyes. I shoot with a fellow who is ALWAYS about a Mil off to the left/right when we begin shooting. Once we shoot some he gets himself squared away; until fatigue gets him.
If it's stress, well that likely comes from Savage QC. If the barrel has stress in it, once the bore warms it will straighten out. If a barrel has a "wow" in it, Savage techs bend it straight before assembly.

[darkker]

Sorry, double posted

[dfrosch]

First shot in a 5 shot string. I haven't cleaned the barrel in close to 100 rounds. It is ALWAYS the first shot. Barrel is free floated and stock torque was checked twice just to be sure it was within specs. Bullet weight doesn't matter, does it will all 3 weights I reload, 58,75,95 and does it with factory ammo as well. I predator hunt so setting the scope to the first shot doesn't really help me since I tend to need more then one shot if I call in pairs or packs.


Maybe an action not bedding properly.... have you tryed loading the mag with 3 or 4 instead of 5 and seeing if there is a difference... also cycle your first round and eject it.. look if there is any noticable marks on the bullet or casing.. is there a different feel when closing the bolt on the first round out of the mag?

Are you always loading 5? Try loading singles. I'd bet the rounds in the mag are influencing the bolt.

[Corey Schwanz]

Cold bore vs hot bore issue? Try burning one into the berm then make your 5-shot group to see what happens. Also try the idea of loading in the chamber 1 at a time if you aren't already.

[jonbearman]

One thing I would do is clean the barrel real well with carbon remover and copper remover, to start fresh. If you bought it new and have just put 100 rounds through it from new it should be cleaned every 40 rounds minimum.

[pdq5oh]

One thing I would do is clean the barrel real well with carbon remover and copper remover, to start fresh. If you bought it new and have just put 100 rounds through it from new it should be cleaned every 40 rounds minimum.
Copper may well be a problem if you haven't cleaned it in 100 rnds since new. My Savage barrel coppered very badly, very fast when new. Keeping it clean til it shoots in is always a good idea.

[scionxb3003]

Just an update, savage replaced the barrel. Wouldn't tell me why but they did. Still haven't had time to re shoot it but hopefully will by next weekend.

[Robinhood]

dfrosch has something tangible. Run with that first.