1500 yard plus gun

[Kingair001]

I've already got a 6.5x55 swed on a savage action and a 7mm mag, both are probably capable, but I told my wife I need another :-)
Than you definitely need a 338 Lapua 😉

[Dennis]

Than you definitely need a 338 Lapua 

Or the 338 Edge, price both of them and weigh it out. If you have questions, let me know. I have had both, but only have the Edge now as we speak.

Dennis

[Kingair001]

Or the 338 Edge, price both of them and weigh it out. If you have questions, let me know. I have had both, but only have the Edge now as we speak.

Dennis
Why did you get rid of the 338 Lapua and kept the 338 Edge ?

[yobuck]

Both are an option but here the Long Range matches start at 2000+ yards
It all depends what you want to do
But building a rifle and noticing tomorrow that you run 500+ yards short . . .

Lots of cartridges would be capable of reaching 1500 yards and even more.
But just getting there isn't really enough. But that's about all a 7 Rem or any of the 6.5s would be capable of.
Sit behind them as their being shot while using good tripod mounted optics and observe the differences.
The 300 gr 338 bullets alone are not a magic long range pill. 338 cartridges with velocities under 3000 fps using 300 gr
cant compete with those that do at extreme range. That's not just an opinion, but simply a fact.
Anyone who hasent actually (watched) them being shot might not be aware or agree with me on that. So unless you have done so,
reserve your remarks until you have. Velocity coupled with bullet weight are both a requirement which is why many 338 owners choose lighter bullets. If I were to consider a cartridge for shooting 2000 yd matches where I wished being competitive, it would be a .375 capable of velocities over 3000 fps. Otherwise id suggest being happy with shorter distances. The edge or the lapua are as far as you will go without the serious expence
of new loading equiptment. But neither are good 2000 yd cartridges.

[Dennis]

Why did you get rid of the 338 Lapua and kept the 338 Edge ?

I had a sale for the Lapua, plus the Edge was shooting equal if not better than the Lapua. I didn't need both, plus I only had about $1,200 in the Edge. I am still having fun with it and don't miss the Lapua.

See the Picture below, 3 rounds @ 300 yards and a quarter completely cover the 300 grain Scenar holes.

[IMG]http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae56/Dennis4437/338300yds.jpg (http://s957.photobucket.com/user/Dennis4437/media/338300yds.jpg.html)

[yobuck]

I had a sale for the Lapua, plus the Edge was shooting equal if not better than the Lapua. I didn't need both, plus I only had about $1,200 in the Edge. I am still having fun with it and don't miss the Lapua.

See the Picture below, 3 rounds @ 300 yards and a quarter completely cover the 300 grain Scenar holes.

[IMG]http://i957.photobucket.com/albums/ae56/Dennis4437/338300yds.jpg (http://s957.photobucket.com/user/Dennis4437/media/338300yds.jpg.html)

For sure that's fine shooting from an obviously accurate gun. Id be interested in the velocity numbers
with that load in the edge.
As an example, my sons 30" barreled 338x378 with 106 gr retumbo and a 300 gr berger is running @2950 fps.
My brother in laws 338x416 with a 36" barrel is running @ 3000 fps with a very accurate load of h50bmg.
My 338 Big Baer with a 34" barrel using 137 gr h50bmg with a 300 gr bullet is running @ about 3250.
So there is a significant difference in powder charge for the gain in velocity. But sitting behind the guns and
watching them also shows a significant difference especially at 1600 yards. I personaly think from an accuracy
standpoint that's about as far as it goes for those cartridges. Under good conditions a mile for entertainment purposes
only would no doubt work for all of them. But I don't see 2000 yards with the possible exception of the very largest 338s.
And those distances wouldn't include live targets. I also wouldn't be sending 300 gr bullets @ 3000 fps from a Savage action.

[Dennis]

For sure that's fine shooting from an obviously accurate gun. Id be interested in the velocity numbers
with that load in the edge.

I have never chromed my Edge with the 300 grain bullets. I mostly shoot 165 grain bullets as there is very little recoil. I know these bullets are in the 4,200fps range.

Maybe oneday, Dennis

[Mthomas90]

Alright guys, I am kind of leaning towards a 30 caliber of some sort for now. What one would be the best for throwing 212 grainers at or above 3000fps? Can a 300 win mag do that? I'd like to stick with something that I can get quality brass for.

Michael

[yobuck]

Alright guys, I am kind of leaning towards a 30 caliber of some sort for now. What one would be the best for throwing 212 grainers at or above 3000fps? Can a 300 win mag do that? I'd like to stick with something that I can get quality brass for.

Michael


The Lapua case necked down to 30 cal would do that with a 30" barrel.
The 300 Norma will also as its about the same size case. The 300 ultra mag will
but brass can be problems. The 30x378 would be the best choice with the proper barrel
and brass would be easier to obtain. I ran 200smks for about 25 years in mine with a 36" barrel.
3500 fps wasent a problem. Actually you need to get beyond 1500 yds for the heavier bullets to
get past the 200/210 gr bullets in that cartridge. If you want to use the lighter bullets id definatly
stick with 30 caliber. Think hard about the action you would use.

[m12lrs]

For sure that's fine shooting from an obviously accurate gun. Id be interested in the velocity numbers
with that load in the edge.
As an example, my sons 30" barreled 338x378 with 106 gr retumbo and a 300 gr berger is running @2950 fps.
My brother in laws 338x416 with a 36" barrel is running @ 3000 fps with a very accurate load of h50bmg.
My 338 Big Baer with a 34" barrel using 137 gr h50bmg with a 300 gr bullet is running @ about 3250.
So there is a significant difference in powder charge for the gain in velocity. But sitting behind the guns and
watching them also shows a significant difference especially at 1600 yards. I personaly think from an accuracy
standpoint that's about as far as it goes for those cartridges. Under good conditions a mile for entertainment purposes
only would no doubt work for all of them. But I don't see 2000 yards with the possible exception of the very largest 338s.
And those distances wouldn't include live targets. I also wouldn't be sending 300 gr bullets @ 3000 fps from a Savage action.

2000 yards +?

barrett 416

.408 CheyTac

or the big .50

[yobuck]

2000 yards +?

barrett 416

.408 CheyTac

or the big .50

They would work, but even those would require actually hitting the target.
A few years back 2 different guys I know had Mark King build them improved 50s
on large Bat actions. These are mega buck guns built specificly for the extreme long
range hunting distances. They are both using the 750 gr Amax traveling at 3000+ fps.
Problem they are both having is hitting the deer. I asked the one guy if you couldn't hit them
with a 338x378 what made you think you could with the 50? What would have made more sence
would be shorter shooting distances.

[Kingair001]

And what about the 375 CheyTac ?

[FW Conch]

^ You can call dat Shootin ^

But dat ain't Huntin! :-)

[Kingair001]

^ You can call dat Shootin ^

But dat ain't Huntin! :-)
Guess we where talking about hitting some steel at a nice distance 😉

[m12lrs]

personally I am just not interested.

http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/hj1406.jpg

[Mthomas90]

personally I am just not interested.

http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/hj1406.jpg
****, what is that?[emoji15]

[m12lrs]

And what about the 375 CheyTac ?

http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/heavy-artillery-375-cheytac-for-2-miles/


http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/dargun02.jpg

[m12lrs]

****, what is that?[emoji15]

that is a 1000 yrd heavy gun

[Kingair001]

http://www.accurateshooter.com/guns-of-week/heavy-artillery-375-cheytac-for-2-miles/


http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/dargun02.jpg
Now this is a rifle !

[WinnieTheBoom]

And what about the 375 CheyTac ?

I've been toying with the idea of building a .375 DCM, which is essentially a CheyTac Improved. The cost of components/reloading really isn't much more than one of the big .338 cartridges, but you obviously go through powder a lot quicker. The actions rated for a such a round are what you end up paying for, and the barrels certainly bring a premium as well.

All that being said... The .375CT is one of, if not the premier ELR round. Even more so than the .50.