How much of a market is there for this.

[LoneWolf]

I do envy that mausingfield though :-)
Runs like a sewing machine!

[LongRange]

Runs like a sewing machine!

Interesting comparison LW...ida went with a "well oiled machine" or something lol.

[LoneWolf]

Interesting comparison LW...ida went with a "well oiled machine" or something lol.
I doesn't actually need much oil!

[doctnj]

Check out my new review on the weaver tactical. I will say this about pimary arms. I own one, its the reticle that is matched up with certain 308 loads. I can say this about it. I dont have it in front of me but its hundreds of rounds shot and it holds flawlessly. The dials are flat out mush however. If they fixed that it would be a 10 for performance and cost. I shoot one of the exact loads it is calibrated for. It is on a gas gun AR10. Once it is set at 100 yrd zero you really have almost no need to touch the scope anyhow but you can. I flat out think they did their homework with those trajectories and nailed the reticle to create dial free shooting out to the effective zone of the 308 load. On a gas gun it does require a load that can be shot at least 1 moa or better or it really doesnt matter much how good the scope tracks does it? Not really a question.

[Sam5300]

Wow 4300 is high even for this scope, my LGS had a beast for 3499, put it on sale recently for 2999. It sold very fast at that price. I would love a Nightforce, but I would buy a NXS or ATACR. If you don't ever want to buy a high end scope don't ever shoot one haha. There is a noticeable difference, all that said I like my viper HST and it's clear enough for now and tracks well.

[Newsshooter]

Except not quite.


The Primary Arms 4-14
Has those precise & repeatable adjustments
Has FFP Matched Turret/reticle
Has a very common 30mm tube
Has BOTH 34.5 mils of Elevation and Windage
Has Glass that most others offer in $800 scopes
Mine has 1500 rounds of Creed fired, a few hundred 308, and rolled down a hill strapped to a 4-wheeler, No issues with it.


Yea, not real fond of the one I bought, make me an offer.....

[Magnumdood]

If anyone is considering buying the Nightforce "Beast" for $4200.00, add another couple of hundred dollars and buy a Tangent Theta for about $4300.00. Nightforce glass never has impressed me that much. My first long range scope was a Nightforce 5.5-22x56. At the time, Nightforce only had 3 models: the 5.5-22x56, the 8-32x56 and the 12-42x56. The 5.5-22x56 Nightforce was my first "long range" scope. Later Nightforce came out with the NXS and renamed the first three models their "Benchrest" models. I tried an 8-32x56 NXS...again, I wasn't impressed with the glass for the money I paid. I do realize that making sure the scope tracks straight, and there aren't any flat spots in the turret as it travels, and the input is repeatable, returns to zero ect...is really more important than the image the scope gives you. If you can count the legs on a fly on a cow's azz at 1000 yards because your scope resolution and contrast are so good, it does you no good if your input into the turrets isn't dead on and repeatable. Eventually I got around to Schmidt & Bender's 5-25x56, which is still the gold standard against which all other scopes are measured. Strangely enough, I have two Hensoldts for my long range guns rather than the S&Bs. Hensoldt used to be Zeiss's military division - they were when I bought my scopes. Recently Hensoldt was sold and is no longer made by Zeiss. I'll never buy another one. My next purchase will be a Schmidt&Bender 5-25x56.

[LongRange]

i had a NF 8-32x56 and loved that scope and wish ida kept it but needed the money...i have a NF ATACR and a vortex gen11 and like both a lot great glass...as far as clarity the gen11 is a little brighter but thats it...ive had the ATACR for almost 8yrs now and it has been use just about every weekend and still tracks as true as the day i got it.

ive had the chance to look through 2 Schmidt&Bender 5-25x56s the last couple of weekends and they are without a doubt very nice scopes but i personally did see enough difference to justify the price difference...now i didnt compare side by side or spend more than a couple of minutes with the S&Bs but the only differences i noticed was the colors looked a little more vivid and i really liked the turrets...i guess if i was a serious shooter like the PRS guys i might look into them a little harder but IMHO right now the best glass for the money in that price range is the vortex gen11...i think at $2800-$2900 the NF F-1 in ATACR is a little over priced but it is a nice scope.

[psharon97]

The only reason I would buy something like that is if I was going to deploy in a war zone and the scope HAD TO WORK. That is why there is a market for US Optics, Steiner, Kahles and other brands that market scopes for ~$3000. If my life were on the line, and money wasn't a consideration, then yes I would want a ~$3000 scope known for be reliable.

That being said, I have no plans on taking a tour of rougher parts of the world, nor do I plan on visiting these places acting as a "sniper". I own no "sniper rifles" and will never claim to be a sniper, not for law enforcement or military. I enjoy long range shooting as a hobby, and as a hobbyist, these scopes are way overkill for me. It would be like towing a john boat with a Semi.

[Magnumdood]

I don't claim to be a "sniper", or claim to having been a "sniper" in the past. I just really enjoy using great glass. I don't look down on those who choose to spend their money otherwise; it's their money, I don't have any interest in trying to put other shooters down for their choices in equipment. If anyone took my post that way I apologize, as it was not my intent.

[LongRange]

The only reason I would buy something like that is if I was going to deploy in a war zone and the scope HAD TO WORK. That is why there is a market for US Optics, Steiner, Kahles and other brands that market scopes for ~$3000. If my life were on the line, and money wasn't a consideration, then yes I would want a ~$3000 scope known for be reliable.

That being said, I have no plans on taking a tour of rougher parts of the world, nor do I plan on visiting these places acting as a "sniper". I own no "sniper rifles" and will never claim to be a sniper, not for law enforcement or military. I enjoy long range shooting as a hobby, and as a hobbyist, these scopes are way overkill for me. It would be like towing a john boat with a Semi.

or if you were a little more serious about shooting...when you just shoot a couple of rounds looking through a scope its not a big deal but when shooting long strings and looking through a scope for 15-20 minutes at a time or more this is when the better glass really comes into its own...its the same with spotting scopes...sure the less expensive ones get the job done but try looking through one for a few hours...the better scopes with better glass cause less eye strain.


I don't claim to be a "sniper", or claim to having been a "sniper" in the past. I just really enjoy using great glass. I don't look down on those who choose to spend their money otherwise; it's their money, I don't have any interest in trying to put other shooters down for their choices in equipment. If anyone took my post that way I apologize, as it was not my intent.

i dont think you came across in a bad way just giving your opinion and that is what these boards are all about and like i said above the S&Bs are nice without a doubt...if a had money to burn id most likely have Marchs on my rifles as i wouldnt need a spoting scope any more LOL.

[yobuck]

[QUOTE=LongRange;357888]or if you were a little more serious about shooting...when you just shoot a couple of rounds looking through a scope its not a big deal but when shooting long strings and looking through a scope for 15-20 minutes at a time or more this is when the better glass really comes into its own...its the same with spotting scopes...sure the less expensive ones get the job done but try looking through one for a few hours...the better scopes with better glass cause less eye strain

We do, all day every day while were hunting at distances much further than your shooting. And you know what stick with the shooting part
because ill prove you wrong in the spotting scope dept. Sooner or later ill meet up with somebody here because seeing is believing not talking
about it. Bring whatever you like and we'll have a glass shootout. Plan on losing lol.

[LongRange]

I have no idea what your talking about buck other than you use binoculars or two spotting scopes on a mount someone made ie binoculars...I agree that using both eyes is better than closing one to look through a spotter but if your saying cheap glass and good glass cause the same amount of eye strain your wrong.

also don't forget I've shot ELR I'm not just talking...also don't forget that every thing is not about hunting...most of the guys here are target shooters!

[Magnumdood]

I can and will attest to that. Try glassing a valley for hours on end. If you're using a cheap binocular before long you'll feel like you eyes are being sucked out of their sockets. Get a Swarovsbki, Leica or Zeiss Bino. Your eye fatigue will be noticeably reduced.