SWFA 6-20x50 vs vortex viper pst 6-24x50 ffp

[LongRange]

i think thats what we all do Rob and maybe Aubie feels like we were attacking you or vortex and thats not the case just giving the OP the feed back he asked for...like i said most of us know who you are and respect your input.

[Robinhood]

Rob. Did you purchase your scopes at retail or similar or were you offered scopes? Serious question not being an ass.

[Rob01]

Got a discount. Basically the LE/mil price.

[Robinhood]

Thanks

[aubie515]

For $899 you can get a Leupold VX3 6.5-20x50 or 8.5-25x50 and end up with a much more reliable optic than the Vortex with better glass. I have had and seen too many Vortex scopes fail for me to ever recommend to anyone. Leupold carries the same great warranty but you will never have to use it.

I suppose you only read what you want to read because your comments below is not true.



and NO ONE SAID that a NF scope(or any other scope)is above failure...i have repeatedly said that ANY scope can fail and that i have personally seen 2 steiner scopes fail...one last year and one this year...and for you to post that guys here are fanboys?LMAO!! read your post to yourself and tell us who sounds like a fanboy...and as i said above...i shot NF scopes for 7yrs and just bought a razor HD gen2 so we will see how it holds up....590+ rounds and counting.

Fact is production will yield a lemon from time to time. I'm not saying that Vortex is the very best optics company out there, but they seem to offer some great features without the high price tag compared to their competition.

I find it hard to believe that stomp442 has better "luck" using BSA and yet he's had "100%" failure with Vortex.

[LongRange]

I suppose you only read what you want to read because your comments below is not true.


Fact is production will yield a lemon from time to time. I'm not saying that Vortex is the very best optics company out there, but they seem to offer some great features without the high price tag compared to their competition.

I find it hard to believe that stomp442 has better "luck" using BSA and yet he's had "100%" failure with Vortex.


Your right i missed that...i try to read but im not real good at it....as far as stomps experiences with BSA and vortex i can not comment as ive never owned a BSA or a lower end vortex...i have owned a few leupolds and never had issues with them but they were on ARs...one is 8yrs old and still works as new...as far as vortex goes the gen2 is the first one ive owned...i really liked the gen1 glass but didnt like the turrets or the huge reticle at high power...so far i love everything about the gen2 but like i said i personally would not buy a PST after seeing the failure rate of them this year.

I also think there are much better optics in the $900 dollar range than the PST...most have been posted in this thread...Russ will have to make his own decision in the end and if he goes with the PST i hope he has the same luck you and Rob have had.

[stomp442]

I will readily admit the BSA and Tasco scopes that I have owned are junk scopes and they were replaced with much better optics when the funds were available but they still lasted longer than any vortex I have ever mounted and they still work. I now have a closet full of leupold and Nikon rifle scopes on my match rifles and hunting rifles and never had one issue with any of them. I wouldn't really consider my self a fan boy but I do know I hate vortex. I wouldn't even keep one if it was given to me.

[WinnieTheBoom]

I will readily admit the BSA and Tasco scopes that I have owned are junk scopes and they were replaced with much better optics when the funds were available but they still lasted longer than any vortex I have ever mounted and they still work. I now have a closet full of leupold and Nikon rifle scopes on my match rifles and hunting rifles and never had one issue with any of them. I wouldn't really consider my self a fan boy but I do know I hate vortex. I wouldn't even keep one if it was given to me.

LOL. Guess there's at least one in every crowd. I have and will continue to use Vortex with absolute confidence (but I may have to add a Sightron to the fleet).

[Russ77]

Doing some reading on the sightron and its looks like a very well made optic. I can't believe they make a10x50 power wow. Not sure I would ever need that much power in a scope

[LongRange]

some of the guys shooting F-class use 80x march scopes.

[Robinhood]

Sightron wins.

[Russ77]

Sightron wins.

Still undecided. I found a store near me that carries sightron gonna go check them out when I have time.

[upSLIDEdown]

Depending on what exactly you're looking for, the Sightron may fit the bill. I have a buddy with the 6-24 that loves it as much as I love my 6-24 PST. I went with the PST because in that price range, there wasn't anything else out there with everything I wanted.

[bflee]

I am not the easiest on my equipment. I dont even have a case for my rifle as I have a whole back seat in my truck clear. I send alot of rounds down range as I have a 300 yard range in my yard, and a 700 yard hay field a couple miles fown the road. I have owned a Vortex Pst 6-24x50 for over 3 years. I have never had an issue of any kind. I guess I am lucky!
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[WinnieTheBoom]

I am not the easiest on my equipment. I dont even have a case for my rifle as I have a whole back seat in my truck clear. I send alot of rounds down range as I have a 300 yard range in my yard, and a 700 yard hay field a couple miles fown the road. I have owned a Vortex Pst 6-24x50 for over 3 years. I have never had an issue of any kind. I guess I am lucky!
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You and the the majority of others............. For every 1 that's had issues, I'll show you 10 (if not more) that haven't had any.

[J.Baker]

Having owned multiples of most every major brand of scope out there over the years there's only three I've never had an issue with, Bushnell, Sightron and Vortex. That said, I don't buy the cheaper lines and always stick with the mid-grade to high-end models. (i.e. Elite 3200, 4200, 6500 for Bushnell, SII and SIII with Sightron, and the Diamondbacks, Vipers and Razors with Vortex).

As for one person getting a half dozen or more bad Vortex scopes, I find that real hard to believe, but anything is possible. All I know is that I know dozens and dozens of people who own multiple Vortex bino's and scopes who have owned them for years now and never had a single issue with any of them. Maybe Stomp's just jinxed or something when it comes to Vortex scopes. lol

Best advice (as always) is to go look through them yourself and go with your gut in terms of quality as at this price point they're all pretty much on the same level as far as build quality and reliability go.

[stomp442]

I would like to believe it was just me but I have seen way to many go bad for other people as well. for those of you that are not having any issues, how exactly are you using your scopes? are you dialing your range and returning to zero or using the reticle for hold over points? I have found that if you zero one they hold just fine but when you go adjusting the turrets for windage or elevation during a shooting session you start having problems.

[WinnieTheBoom]

I would like to believe it was just me but I have seen way to many go bad for other people as well. for those of you that are not having any issues, how exactly are you using your scopes? are you dialing your range and returning to zero or using the reticle for hold over points? I have found that if you zero one they hold just fine but when you go adjusting the turrets for windage or elevation during a shooting session you start having problems.

I've done 10 MOA ladder/box tests at various ranges with both Vipers and my Razor. All of them tracked perfectly and were consistent. All returned to zero without a problem. Never had any issues with walking POIs, and they were all used almost every weekend. My Razor sees consistent work out to 1,500 yards on my Lapua and I've had nothing but success with it thus far.

Again, I think that your situation, if you did in fact have 5 (?) brand new Vipers fail on you was an anomaly... I've seen countless people had excellent luck with Vortex's entire line of scopes, but that's not to say that everyone's experience is different. I just think that most people you ask that have any type of experience with Vortex are going to tell you that A) they're hard to beat for the money, B) there are A LOT more well-functioning scopes out there than failures, and C) if there is a failure, the replacement scope has been perfectly fine.

Not trying to be a Vortex fanboy at all, but in my personal experience, I just don't see that many Viper PSTs (a MASSIVELY popular scope over the last few years) having that many issues.

[upSLIDEdown]

I'd agree with all of that.

And I dial. Every time I shoot. From 100 out to 1000 and everywhere in between.

[bflee]

I dial with it all the time. Never holdover. Go back and forth and never had an issue.