Lots of Savage Hate at Snipershide

[culpeper]

The Hide isn't like the previous version. Mainly a few select vendors posting along with their fans. Anyway, it is mainly PRS rifling now. No longer a place for Savages. 90% of their current members rarely shoot past 100 yards if at all. For most it is all about how much they can spend just to figure out they can't buy their way on target. Just check out the ridiculous optics thread, the 100 yard challenge, and the dead 500 yard one too. I got disgusted and deleted any posts I made with the thread still on page one after more than a year. I wouldn't worry about what the uninformed masses say about Savage. All of the board's knowledge base split when it moved to the new Scout format. Links on the Internet for the old site take you to the Scout homepage so there goes that knowledge base as well. The old site is archived under a different url. Nevertheless, still some good folks posting something useful but a pain to try and find with Scout's asinine search function and all the meaningless noise taking up bandwidth on the few forums that are active. If you want to run around shooting out of fake windows than The Hide is the place to be. They don't know anything about a Savage rifle.

What is really going on at the Hide is the blog section. The forums are merely an attraction for new people to subscribe.

[XL105]

I go on Hide to look at nice rigs for sale. Go through their write ups on various products n technics. Always looks like "rich" guys forum or any fitness forums. If your not doing it their way. It's not good enough. High school all over again.
As for Savages. I have a stock 12 LRP 260 rem. I'm shooting sub .5 moa at 500 yards. Every time out. (Needs fine tuning)
Like LongRange said Chevy vs ford vs dodge.
If you love your rig n shoot as accurately as You want to shoot. That's all that matters.
For the record I appreciate ford n savage and a good women who can rattle the pots n pans n bed sheets.

[eddiesindian]

I used to dabble into ar-15 .com yrs back but I decided to use common sense and bail.

would get a bit ugly at times with members. ive heard the same thing about the hide. I never looked into it though. probably never will

[big honkin jeep]

It's been well-documented that the Savage F-Class team(s) use factory F/TRs. Granted, I'm sure they're probably from the custom shop, but it's hard to argue with the accuracy of a Savage. As others have pointed out, it's the black sheep of the rifle shooting world. The RPR just happens to have the 'latest and greatest' rifle to release, but it's inevitable now that other companies will follow suit.

Think about it. Both of my Savages will shoot ragged holes from 1-300 yards, and they'll hold an MOA out to 500 and beyond. There's just not much there to improve on. I don't care if you go out and buy an RPR or build a full custom rig for $8k, that's your prerogative. But I'm going to smile and laugh at you when it won't outshoot my 'cheap' Savage.

Custom Shop?
You mean Special order shop? It's my understanding they don't have a custom shop but instead have a special order shop that will mix and match off the shelf parts.
FTR's are factory offerings and it's my understanding they are off the rack rifles.

Most any firearms site is gonna have brand loyalists. Though I have multiple brands and platforms I am a rabid Savageaholic.
One of my favorite things to do is put tiny groups on paper with a factory sporter hunting rifle and some good hand loads tuned for it. Even better if it's an old flatback sporter that has some spray paint on it, some JB weld between the action and the stock, and a piece of music wire from the hardware store on the trigger. This quite often results in amusing antics, excuses and rhetoric from those that are convinced that all it takes is cash.
Opinions are like armpits (or something like that) everybody has em and everybody elses stinks.
You cant fix what is broken on the internet and you'll go crazy if you try.

[godale]

never been over there i play on different sights but not over there

[Strutnut]

I am over there a bit and yeah, they have their flavor of the month and its not Savage but its also not any other off the shelf brands either. This Ruger is the first one they jumped on as its easy to customize and it is a really good offering. I am not too worried about it. My 700 dollar Savage Bear hunter works for me and I would rather put money into the optic than spend double the amount + to get a rifle that is MAYBE .25 moa better than what I have. If I was shooting PRS matches on a budget, yeah, I would have the Ruger too. MY favorite site is Long Range Hunting and there is a bit of love for the Savages there. Several that own them promote them openly. Apparently that 6.5 Longe Range Hunter and the 6.5 predator hunters are really really good!

[WinnieTheBoom]

Custom Shop?
You mean Special order shop? It's my understanding they don't have a custom shop but instead have a special order shop that will mix and match off the shelf parts.
FTR's are factory offerings and it's my understanding they are off the rack rifles.

Most any firearms site is gonna have brand loyalists. Though I have multiple brands and platforms I am a rabid Savageaholic.
One of my favorite things to do is put tiny groups on paper with a factory sporter hunting rifle and some good hand loads tuned for it. Even better if it's an old flatback sporter that has some spray paint on it, some JB weld between the action and the stock, and a piece of music wire from the hardware store on the trigger. This quite often results in amusing antics, excuses and rhetoric from those that are convinced that all it takes is cash.
Opinions are like armpits (or something like that) everybody has em and everybody elses stinks.
You cant fix what is broken on the internet and you'll go crazy if you try.

Sure, whatever you want to call it. I have a feeling that the Savage F-Class team's rifles are probably tweaked just a hair, not just something you can go pick up at Dick's.

[EFBell]

Sure, whatever you want to call it. I have a feeling that the Savage F-Class team's rifles are probably tweaked just a hair, not just something you can go pick up at Dick's.

I would imagine all the manufacturers do just "a little" tweeking...

[Rob01]

The Hide isn't like the previous version. Mainly a few select vendors posting along with their fans. Anyway, it is mainly PRS rifling now. No longer a place for Savages. 90% of their current members rarely shoot past 100 yards if at all. For most it is all about how much they can spend just to figure out they can't buy their way on target. Just check out the ridiculous optics thread, the 100 yard challenge, and the dead 500 yard one too. I got disgusted and deleted any posts I made with the thread still on page one after more than a year. I wouldn't worry about what the uninformed masses say about Savage. All of the board's knowledge base split when it moved to the new Scout format. Links on the Internet for the old site take you to the Scout homepage so there goes that knowledge base as well. The old site is archived under a different url. Nevertheless, still some good folks posting something useful but a pain to try and find with Scout's asinine search function and all the meaningless noise taking up bandwidth on the few forums that are active. If you want to run around shooting out of fake windows than The Hide is the place to be. They don't know anything about a Savage rifle.

What is really going on at the Hide is the blog section. The forums are merely an attraction for new people to subscribe.

A little bitter are we? LOL Come on back over. Yes the site is a little more difficult to get around and the search does suck big time but there are still people who like Savages. Not as many as here as this is a Savage forum but plenty of Savage shooter there.

[Rob01]

I used to dabble into ar-15 .com yrs back but I decided to use common sense and bail.

would get a bit ugly at times with members. ive heard the same thing about the hide. I never looked into it though. probably never will

You should stop back over in the Precision Rifle section. Better than it used to be. http://www.ar15.com/forums/b/16_Precision_Rifles.html

[culpeper]

Rob you have to admit it has become "this vs that" nonsense taking up most of the bandwidth and it is a crying shame most of the talent R-U-N-N-O-F-T but even you have to be getting tired of correcting half the posts on mounting a scope each time the topic shows up on page one of the threads for that particular forum because nobody can find the previous one. Or the obvious popular answer to every reloading problem is to buy a different die set. It is just the same misinformation over and over again. Hardly a repository of a wealth of information any longer.

[Rob01]

A little oversimplified but yes there are a lot of the same questions from time to time because of the search feature being so weak. Basically have to pick which is worth the time to help and answer. The answer isn't always new dies. ;) There's still a decent knowledge base over there but not as deep as years back. Some of us are still holding on.

[BoilerUP]

Scout has sucked for the average forum member...terrible UI and as mentioned, complaints about search (or lack thereof) has largely fallen on deaf ears.

ARF is better...but its still ARF.

The Hide is a great resource, you just gotta separate wheat from chaff and the know somethings from the interweb know-it-allz.

[flyer]

I remember seeing some useful stuff there before the switch but I didn't shoot much long range or have a "precision rifle" so I just wound up there after Google searches.

I'm not surprised that its full of armchair commandos now.

Why lie? I'm an armchair commando too but I don't think I'm terribly biased.

I like the RPR, I appreciate the Remington 700 for what it is and I can appreciate a high dollar custom too but being cheap at heart I want all the performance at half the price which led me here.

I think the advantage here is that you don't get the "me too" crowd that gravitates to $7,000 customs.

You get the $1,500 custom crowd and the $300, a file, some music wire and JB Weld crowd and a lot of people in between who just want a rifle that shoots. I like that crowd.

[Rob01]

Some people have been doing this decades longer than you Flyer and have been through the phase you are in and have moved on to bigger and better options so don't look to harshly on the people with higher end customs and assume they are snobs or arm chair commandos as it might be you in 10 years being called the same by a guy new to the sport.

[flyer]

Not all are snobs, some people are serious enough and shoot well enough that a $7,000 custom rifle is justified. Some people spend more than that but you never hear about it.

What I don't like are people who go out and buy that custom and then disrespect someone who can make a $1,500 or less rifle shoot.

I know people have been shooting and smithing for centuries before I started. I like old school. That's why I bought a Swenson custom 1911 a few years ago. The other reason is that I can't afford a Valtro and to be honest, if the Swenson wasn't cheap it would have found another home.

I try not to be a 1911 snob too, I'm working (slowly) on a Norinco custom. Their frames and slides were well made and properly heat treated despite being Chinese copies. I tried to work on a Charles Daly 1911 from the Philippines but it was so far out of spec that I gave up and bought that Norinco to fool around with.

I think a person that buys a Savage for the value or because they think they can improve it with DIY gunsmithing is pretty smart.

[drybean]

Seems to be the same at the 6Br forum

[WinnieTheBoom]

I think a person that buys a Savage for the value or because they think they can improve it with DIY gunsmithing is pretty smart.

This is the part that is overlooked on SH. As I said before, there are a lot of good shooters and knowledgeable dudes over there. Only problem is for every good guy, there's a dozen polecats. Guys that buy expensive gear because they think that's the only way to get the best performance. I have no problem with guys that shoot $7k custom rigs and know how to use them, but the elitist mentality there is very prevalent when half the guys that own that AI's and full customs don't know what a dope chart is or how to use one.

Could I afford to build one of those rifles? Proabably. Do I want to buy one? Absolutely! But do I really need to when my $1,500 Savage will put 5 in the same hole at 200 yards? Nope. Different strokes for different folks I guess, Savage guys are just a little smarter than the rest :p

[scooterf79]

......Savage guys are just a little smarter than the rest :p

Best line EVER! 😉
Scooter

[flyer]

I'm waiting for the day when good gunsmiths start putting 783 bolts and Remage barrels in their Remington 700 customs.

Its kind of like Ford vs Chevy. Ask any Chevy guy and they will say the Ford Windsor (260, 289, 302, 351, 5.0) V8 is junk and then get really defensive when you point out that the LS1 is pretty much a straight Windsor copy to the point that the cylinder heads are almost compatible.