Hornady's new releases and new tips

[Londerko]

Will do! My new barrel is a 27" X-caliber blank, so I should be able to get pretty decent velocity with the 212, but I have my eye on hitting 3K with that 200

[sixonetonoffun]

I'd like to see if I can rechamber a factory 24" 7mm Rem to 7mm-300 and get 2950-3000 out the 175 eld-x up to 180 vld's that would be nirvana for 500 yard hunting.

160's just too limiting at that range by the time ya get 1 all ya see is cross body shots for 2-3. Can't even consider taking those shots. 175gr cor-lokts always do well but have the bc of a football at that distance.

High bc 175-180gr bullets at 2950-3050 would be a real game changer for me. 7828 gets me around 2900 with 175 pspcl's so figure 3050-3100 is realistic with another 10gr of powder out of a 24" barrel. Figure h1000 will be first choice. But in a pinch even surplus powders should work.

Then if I like the cartridge can consider that 26" fluted Bartlien I've been drooling over.

[Londerko]

FYI:
The 30 cal 200 ELD-X are in stock at midway. I ordered a box 1 hour ago and they have already shipped

[Rob01]

Yup the 140 ELD-M were out at Midway too but sold out already. The new bullets are hitting the market. Just need to keep an eye out for them.

[Rob01]

Here are a couple targets with gross powder adjustments that I loaded up with the 140 ELD-Ms in my Creedmoor to just get an idea of velocity and accuracy potential. The one round at the top was a single chrono number and then a 4 shot group. Loaded them at both 2.810" and .020" off the lands. Going to go up more for the powder charge as I think there will be better accuracy around 43grns.

The 2.810" seemed to open as I got higher in powder charge but there might be another node higher. I will look for it.
http://i.imgur.com/KFB6Eit.jpg

The .020" started to tighten as powder charge went up. The OAL for these was 2.850" so they still easily fit in mags.
http://i.imgur.com/xvFRzZs.jpg

[LongRange]

Rob i bet between 42.7 and 43.3 at .020 off is going to be your load...seeing your results with the 140s is really making me want to try the 143s...nice shooting.

[Rob01]

Thanks. My 140 AMAX load was 43.5grns at .020" off. I just started lower to see what they would do. I am definitely going higher.

[Rob01]

I got some of the 143 ELD-X on Friday. I will try and get some loaded up but figured I will post a pic and give some measurements for you guys. Base to ogive is .740" and OAL of the bullet is 1.435". A little longer than the 140 AMAX or ELD-M (L-R).

http://i.imgur.com/nDnb2j7.jpg

[Mthomas90]

I got some of the 143 ELD-X on Friday. I will try and get some loaded up but figured I will post a pic and give some measurements for you guys. Base to ogive is .740" and OAL of the bullet is 1.435". A little longer than the 140 AMAX or ELD-M (L-R).

http://i.imgur.com/nDnb2j7.jpg
Where did you find them at?

[stomp442]

Precision Reloading had them the other day but you need to buy a lot of them to justify the shipping cost.

[Rob01]

I got mine from Hornady but as mentioned they are shipping and out at stores now. They do sell out fast though so if you want them then buy them if you see them.

[sixonetonoffun]

Looking at the stats for 7mm/284 ELD-X bullets...

175gr lists sd=.268
162gr sd=.287

How is that possible?

180gr VLD comes in at .319 just over the mythical/magical .300

[Texas10]

Nice picture, Rob. Looks like they changed the profile a bit too, in addition to a new tip material. Wonder if the new tip by itself didn't have the effect they were looking for, so they redesigned it for a longer, slimmer profile. I guess we'll never know how much the B.C. improvement is related to tip material and now much is profile/aspect ratio related.

Thinking about it a little, and based upon my knowledge of aircraft, the tip of a bullet thats going Mach 3 has to be seeing temps of at least 500 degrees F albeit very briefly. I wonder what kind of thermoset plastic can withstand that kind of temperature AND be moldable too?

Any physicists in the group that want to chime in?:cool:

[devildogandboy]

Grafs also had some.

Bruce

[Rob01]

Nice picture, Rob. Looks like they changed the profile a bit too, in addition to a new tip material. Wonder if the new tip by itself didn't have the effect they were looking for, so they redesigned it for a longer, slimmer profile. I guess we'll never know how much the B.C. improvement is related to tip material and now much is profile/aspect ratio related.

Thinking about it a little, and based upon my knowledge of aircraft, the tip of a bullet thats going Mach 3 has to be seeing temps of at least 500 degrees F albeit very briefly. I wonder what kind of thermoset plastic can withstand that kind of temperature AND be moldable too?

Any physicists in the group that want to chime in?:cool:

Actually you do know how much the new tip alone changed things. They tested the old AMAX with the old tip and new tip and the old tip BC average to 800 yards was around .545 and with just the new tip it was at .588, which is where it should be from their old 200 yard testing and what the AMAX was listed as on their page. So the tip did make a difference alone but the new ELD line was redesigned as well to raise the BC more.

[Londerko]

Range Report!
So I picked up some 212 ELD-X at my local Sportsmans warehouse to try in my 300wm. I then called the folks at Hornady who gave me some great info. They told me that they did their load development with a 25" barrel and a coal of 3.5". They said that they are not meant to be loaded at the short saami spec coal of the 200s and 220s. They did however state that the best powders for the WM and the 212 were H1000 and R22. They said that a max charge of both were moving in the 2800s. This is only 50fps slower than the 200s, due to the 212 having a shorter bearing surface and longer nose/ogive. The max load they told me for H1000 was 77.6 grs.
So anyway, I was pretty excited and went home and began loading. The 212 touched the lands in my barrel at 3.55" My mag allows for 3.515" so I loaded them to that and gave them a 40 thousandths jump. The Hornady rep told me that they don't mind a little jump and aren't nearly as sensitive to seating depth as the Bergers.
I loaded 5 rounds a piece of:
74,75,76,77 and 77.5.
They all shot well, but the hotter I went the tighter they got!
I finished off the day with a 5 shot .612" group at 100 yards with 77.5 gr of H1000 and ZERO pressure signs and no hard bolt lift. And out of my 27" barrel I figured they are probably going in the low-mid 2900 fps range, but I have no chronograph. This was all with new Hornady brass that had not been fire formed.
Needless to say I'm pretty excited about this new bullet, and can't wait to get out to the range again and do more fine tuning. I know I can tighten the groups up even more. But not bad for a first outing!

[darkker]

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[LongRange]

Rob have you had a chance to play with the 143s yet?

very interested to see your results and hear your thoughts on them.

[Rob01]

I did. Being longer at .020" off the lands they were right at mag length in a standard AICS mag. I loaded at 41.5, 42 and 42.5grns and the 41.5grns showed best accuracy at about 2760fps. I didn't try them any higher yet but plan on it. They will definitely make long range hunters happy.

[devildogandboy]

does anybody know what the OAL is for the 140gr ELD? 6.5mm

Bruce