Budget FFP scope for 7mm rem mag

[yobuck]

I've got four of the BSA FFP Mil Mil scopes on 22's, I've dialed them up and down a bunch shooting out to 300M and they have held up well. Don't think the recoil should be an issue.

Well there would be one sure way of finding out. But best not to do that when your on your once a year 3 day hunt.

[Newsshooter]

Well there would be one sure way of finding out. But best not to do that when your on your once a year 3 day hunt.

Yep, but since I usually shoot 100-200 rounds a month on my centerfire rifle that wouldn't be a problem for me. :) I know they're labeled BSA but put them side by side with the primary arms scope and other than the reticle they look the same. I have both I'll get a pic of them together. The BSA has a mil-hash reticle that I like better than the mil-dot.

OP, you might also look for the weaver 3-15, http://www.amazon.com/Weaver-Tactical-Illuminated-Range-Scope/dp/B004NRXLN4 I think the glass is a little better than the Vortex.

[LoneWolf]

I have noticed that I tend to stay on 10x-12x now as it is.

I was the same way until I moved up to a higher quality scope. Once you have one that is clearer at 15-20x that the lower value one was at 10-12x, you'll find you'll use the higher power more often. I would save up for the PST or a Bushnell HDMR. I spent almost a year wishing I had just got the Gen 2 Razor instead of the Gen 1 Razor. Gen 1 was a great scope no doubt, but the Gen 2 fixed the few things I had issues with and added some features that I enjoy very much. It's worth it to have better glass and features. The 4-16 PST would be plenty for what you want to do.

[yobuck]

Power depends to a large degree what you do with the scope. Will you use it for hunting, or will it be strictly a target scope?
And if used for hunting, the type of terrain will also figure into what might work best. Field of view size is extremly important
for follow up shots where recoil (could) cause the target to be temporarily lost from view. Where many of us hunt the hills we shoot at are totaly
tree covered. One or two steps after the shot is sometimes all thats necessary for you to lose the animal from your sight. If it runs off any distance
before stopping again its even worse. Without a spotter watching and keeping things sorted out you could be in plain words, screwed.
The type of equiptment you use to shoot with can also play a large roll in helping stay on target following a shot, and might allow for using higher power with less field.
Practice by picking a small rock in a small opening between trees. See if you can stay on following the shot and how hard it is to find it again.

[Dans85]

The rifle that the scope is going on is my primary hunting rifle. What I am wanting to do is have a dual purpose rifle that I can take to the range and shoot 1000+ yards with and can also take to the field and harvest game with. I have heard nothing but good about vortex, especially their warranty which is one of the main reasons that I have been leaning heavily towards their line of scopes. I know that I'll have the peace of mind that if something happens to the scope I can have it fixed or replaced for no questions asked. I would really hate to spend close to $1000 for a piece of gear and have little or no support after the purchase. One thing that I did want to ask was about the glass difference between the 4-16 vs the 6-24. I have read that the 6-24 has better quality glass than the 4-16? Any first hand experience with the two?

[Robinhood]

I know they're labeled BSA but put them side by side with the primary arms scope and other than the reticle they look the same. I have both I'll get a pic of them together. The BSA has a mil-hash reticle that I like better than the mil-dot.


BSA
http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/1/143495_ts.jpg
Primary Arms
http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M7d053cce0b99ac10b61486ae3eae1062o0&pid=15.1

I don't get the same feeling

[Txhillbilly]

The rifle that the scope is going on is my primary hunting rifle. What I am wanting to do is have a dual purpose rifle that I can take to the range and shoot 1000+ yards with and can also take to the field and harvest game with. I have heard nothing but good about vortex, especially their warranty which is one of the main reasons that I have been leaning heavily towards their line of scopes. I know that I'll have the peace of mind that if something happens to the scope I can have it fixed or replaced for no questions asked. I would really hate to spend close to $1000 for a piece of gear and have little or no support after the purchase. One thing that I did want to ask was about the glass difference between the 4-16 vs the 6-24. I have read that the 6-24 has better quality glass than the 4-16? Any first hand experience with the two?

Unless you just have to have FFP,I'd take a real hard look at the Sightron SIII scopes. IMO,They are a better scope than the Viper PST scopes.
The glass is better,they track better,and are spot on repeatable. I have 5 Sightron scopes,and use the crap out of them.
Sightron does offer a FFP,but the reticle is too fine and will disappear in the lower power range of the scope in a hunting background.

Vortex has more bells & whistles,but Sightron has better optical quality.

[Newsshooter]

BSA
http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/1/143495_ts.jpg
Primary Arms
http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M7d053cce0b99ac10b61486ae3eae1062o0&pid=15.1

I don't get the same feeling

Not the same scope, I'll get a photo of the two side be side and post it later. Where did you get the photo? That certainly isn't the one on the midway site.

[Newsshooter]

Unless you just have to have FFP,I'd take a real hard look at the Sightron SIII scopes. IMO,They are a better scope than the Viper PST scopes.
The glass is better,they track better,and are spot on repeatable. I have 5 Sightron scopes,and use the crap out of them.
Sightron does offer a FFP,but the reticle is too fine and will disappear in the lower power range of the scope in a hunting background.

Vortex has more bells & whistles,but Sightron has better optical quality.

I haven't used sightron but my PST tracks just fine. I've had it for a couple years using it in long range and steel tactical matches monthly and it has held up well. I can vouch for the vortex warranty as well, I loaned the scope to a buddy to use and he overtightened the rings. I sent it to Vortex and they replaced it. For hunting purposes I'd make sure the reticle was illuminated on an FFP scope. At low power and low light it can be difficult to see the reticle.

[Russ77]

I have the ACSS reticle and maybe I'm just use to seeing it now but it doesn't bother me. After using some other high end scopes I noticed my turrets don't feel as nice. They have a mushy feel to them

[Newsshooter]

I haven't used them but the SWFA 3-15 might be a good option too. A used Weaver 3-15 EMDR has good glass and would be another good option.

[Russ77]

I haven't used them but the SWFA 3-15 might be a good option too. A used Weaver 3-15 EMDR has good glass and would be another good option.

Isn't the SWFA 3-15 more like 900?

[Newsshooter]

$699 new But I'd bet they're on sale at the end of the month, http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-3-15x42-Tactical-Rifle-Scope-P62238.aspx

[Newsshooter]

BSA
http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/1/143495_ts.jpg
Primary Arms
http://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M7d053cce0b99ac10b61486ae3eae1062o0&pid=15.1

I don't get the same feeling

Which scope is the BSA and which is the PA? Yes there are differences, the clicks on the PA are more distinct, but more audible on the BSA, dimensions are similar but not exact.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh96/SandersImage/Scope2.jpg (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/SandersImage/media/Scope2.jpg.html)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh96/SandersImage/Scope1.jpg (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/SandersImage/media/Scope1.jpg.html)

[Newsshooter]

Closer images and reticles.

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh96/SandersImage/Scope1Close.jpg (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/SandersImage/media/Scope1Close.jpg.html)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh96/SandersImage/Scope2_Close.jpg (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/SandersImage/media/Scope2_Close.jpg.html)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh96/SandersImage/BSA_Reticle.jpg (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/SandersImage/media/BSA_Reticle.jpg.html)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh96/SandersImage/PA_Reticle.jpg (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/SandersImage/media/PA_Reticle.jpg.html)

[minnesotamulisha]

I've owned the Falcon Menace 5-25x50 IR, and still own an SWFA 20x, and the Primary Arms 4-14.

I sold the Falcon as it was on an FTR gun and replaced it with a Weaver T36. The Falcon held up to a 308 just fine. The clicks were ok, and it tracked well. Did get kind of foggy after 300 yards, but it did what I needed it to.

I picked up the SWFA used. The only thing I don't like about it, is that is has MOA adjustments, and a Mildot reticle. Not very smart on my part, but live and learn. It is an older model. Not sure how old. The clicks aren't the greatest. If I run it up and down a few turns, the clicks get better. I think it has to do with the O Ring under the turret cap. I've taken the caps off, cleaned the orings and put some grease on them and they did get better. I only use it for load development, so it works fine for what it is. I would definitely buy another one, but it would be Mil/Mil next time.

The PA scope is great. I used it to hunt deer last year in Northern Minnesota, and even in the cold, the clicks were easily felt with thin gloves on. I have moved it around on a few different rifles, and haven't had any issues with it. I did put it on an AR for coyote hunting last year. I was on a lake with little to no snow cover and it was slick. Needless to say, I ended up butt over teakettle and the rifle/scope hit the ice, elevation turret first. I still use it and it still tracks great. Just last weekend I used it to ring steel at 515 yards on my 6.5x47 and will be using it again for deer hunting this year. I would buy another one in a heart beat.

Good luck.

[Petre]

I would buy the standard Mil-Dot in a heartbeat for $199.00, the ACSS Reticle gives me a seizure.

I thought the same thing, but once you use it or set ups like it, it becomes VERY usable and allows for really fast range finding and target acquisition.

[Robinhood]

Thanks for the photos Newsshooter. Much better comparison than I made. What is the exact model number?

[Newsshooter]

Thanks for the photos Newsshooter. Much better comparison than I made. What is the exact model number?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/456482/bsa-tactical-mil-mil-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-4-14x-44mm-side-focus-1-10-mil-adjustments-first-focal-mrad-reticle-matte

Haven't used them on a center fire rifle but I have used them on .22's dialing to 300 meters with a O moa rail so they have plenty of travel too.

[eddiesindian]

I own 3 BSA Tactical 6..24..44. 2 of them on 308,s 1 on a 260. One of my 308s has close to 3k thru the tube. The scope has held zero. Never a problem. A bit hazy cranked to 24, at 20 is perfect.f or the money? You can't beat it. I can easily shoot with the likes leos,nikons,vipers,. From 100 out to 13k. I'd much rather spend more $$ on good bullets and components.