Savage 6.5 Creedmoor

[pahoghunter]

Hi Anyone shooting one of these? I am thinking about a 6.5 and since I have a LRP in .243 all I would have to do is find a take off barrel and I could do it inexpensively. The last 6.5 I had was a Swedish Mauser in 6.5x55 I believe it was either $29.99 or $39.99 at Sunny Surplus. That was about 1960 I wonder if they went up in price much since them? LOL

[yobuck]

You could try giving Sunny Surplus a jingle and ask. But since that was before the 68 gun control act their probably no longer in business.
And rest assured before he leaves Big O is gonna try to do that for the rest of them.

[darkker]

Both MZ5 and I shoot Creedmoors.... Was that your question, does anyone have one? Or is there a specific Q?

[pahoghunter]

Both MZ5 and I shoot Creedmoors.... Was that your question, does anyone have one? Or is there a specific Q?
Basically my question is does anyone shoot one and how is the accuracy? I shoot in a competition in "Factory class" 100,200 & 300 yds. One range in particular is really affected by the wind. I am hoping to find a take off Creedmoor barrel so that I can keep in "Factory" category.
thanks Bob

[wbm]

This might be of interest to you.

http://precisionrifleblog.com/2013/09/07/rifle-cartridges-what-the-pros-use/

I have had three 6.5 Creedmoor's and liked them all but went back to the 6.5x55 SE. Currently I reload for a 1910 vintage M96 Swede and a modern 6.5x55 Savage with a Shaw barrel. I shoot the 107 Sierra Match King at 3000fps in the M96 and 3100-3200fps in the Savage/Shaw. The 107 Sierra is very accurate and does well at long ranges. Works for me!

[Newsshooter]

A lot of the precision guys are moving to 6mm, you might try some different .243 loads.

[darkker]

PRS folks use long enough bullets, that no factory barrel will stabilize them. PRS shoots out to 1500 yards, whereas limiting to 300 is more like a PBR event.

Back to the original question, no two factory rifles will be the Dane, so that is a bit of an unanswerable question. But honestly out to 300, the 308 will resist drift better than the Creedmoor.

[pahoghunter]

A lot of the precision guys are moving to 6mm, you might try some different .243 loads.

I saw that on the 6mm's very interesting, its amazing in this sport how things are constantly shifting?

[LoneWolf]

PRS folks use long enough bullets, that no factory barrel will stabilize them. PRS shoots out to 1500 yards, whereas limiting to 300 is more like a PBR event.

Back to the original question, no two factory rifles will be the Dane, so that is a bit of an unanswerable question. But honestly out to 300, the 308 will resist drift better than the Creedmoor.
A 120grs-140grs class bullet with a higher BC moving 100-200FPS faster will be beat by the slower lower bc bullet of the 308?

This doesn't make any sense. I'm going to plug this into a calculator just because you make me laugh with your love of the 308 darker.

[LoneWolf]

So I plugged it in using a 168SMK @ 2700 and a 139 Scenar @ 2800 to keep estimated velocities closer and as I expected in a 10mph wind the Scenar drifts 2" less at 300yds.

I would probably shoot the 123 Scenar for 300yds comp though.

[yobuck]

So I plugged it in using a 168SMK @ 2700 and a 139 Scenar @ 2800 to keep estimated velocities closer and as I expected in a 10mph wind the Scenar drifts 2" less at 300yds.

I would probably shoot the 123 Scenar for 300yds comp though.

Well did you check to see if there was any disclaimer saying something like results may vary?
Because Darkkers results seemingly always do. Especially when it comes to 308s lol.

[LoneWolf]

Regardless what you do the 6.5 in the same config as a 308 pushing their comp style bullets at their potential velocities.

The 6.5 will drift 1/3 - 2/3 MOA less than the 308.

[Newsshooter]

PRS folks use long enough bullets, that no factory barrel will stabilize them. PRS shoots out to 1500 yards, whereas limiting to 300 is more like a PBR event.

Back to the original question, no two factory rifles will be the Dane, so that is a bit of an unanswerable question. But honestly out to 300, the 308 will resist drift better than the Creedmoor.

Yes, and they shoot a lot of stages that are under 600 yards as well, don't know what his barrel twist is but I'd try some higher BC bullets first and see what happens. Either way the 243/6mm is as good as anything else at that distance. Personally I'd shoot my .223 with 77 smk or 80 grain bergers.

[Newsshooter]

Regardless what you do the 6.5 in the same config as a 308 pushing their comp style bullets at the potential velocities.

The 6.5 will drift 1/3 - 2/3 MOA less than the 308.

Don't confuse things with facts. :)

[LoneWolf]

Don't confuse things with facts. :)

The 308 has it's place, it has had a great run, but people need to let it die respectfully when speaking towards competition use! There's a reason why they have a 308 class and an open class in most competitive forums or offer a secondary award like "Top 308".

[darkker]

Sorry was early, think I was looking at 204's...

900ft elevation. 80°. 30%RH. 20mph wind at 90°
Shooting to 300 yards.

175 SMK @ 2557fps
0.6 mils drift
155 TMK @ 2850fps
1.0 Mil drift

123 SMK @ 2900
1.0 Mil drift
140 CC @ 2722
1.0 mils

The heavier bullet always resists more wind in that little time.
One thing to remember with the Creed, is "online" claims of speed. Anyone telling you that a 140-class bullet is a 2800fps+ affair, is very over-Pressure.
As with all things, max Pressure is rarely the most accurate in any case. But the Creed can't go "that fast" unless you go over Pressure, which typically begins the garbage about Hornady brass being inferior.

As a bit of a side note, we hooked up the Pressure Trace and tested a mountain of things in the Creed. I had a suspicion about the operating pressure "range" in the Creed data. So we tested several powders and bullets against that theory. It fit quite nicely. What we found was that for every 75-100fps you gain, comes at the cost of 10-15,000 psi. So those who tell you they get 2900+ out of the 140's.... Well, easy to see roughly where their pressures are, and why they only get a few loads before primer pockets get loose.

[LoneWolf]

You picked scrappy BC bullets for the 6.5 to help you data. Try it again with the Scenar or Berger hybrid. Since the majority of the guys I know are getting 2750-2800+ with Hornady factory ammo as well.

[darkker]

Fair enough,
Berger 140gr target Hybrid @ 2700
0.9 mils
Factory ammo does us no good in reloading, as we can only buy canister grade powder. The ONLY factory ammo that uses canister grade powder is Nosler.

But to humor you, here is the 140 A-max @ 2800
0.9 mil

[darkker]

For those who buy into the magic "low bearing surface" claims of certain brands.
This is the exact same primer lot, cases, sizing technique, powder charge, jump to lands (ogive)
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j84/Darkker13/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-12-26-20-07-13_zpsrbt4dqfy.png
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j84/Darkker13/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2014-12-26-18-30-06_zpspe2comlp.png

Notice pressures and velocities.

[LoneWolf]

I don't know what you're putting into calculator, but nothing I do shows what your saying for drift calculations. Oh well, if it works for you than more power to ya.

I get 1.3 Mils drift for the 175SMK.