10-FCP feed issue

[greyghost]

I don't think a dark eagle will work until you change bottom metal, Then supposedly dark eagle, aics, accurate mag, Ruger scout rifle, And P-mag aics mags will work or so I am told, Hope this helps

[JWPNW]

The dark eagle fits and works with the factory bottom metal.
I have used it with no problem along side the factory 4 round that came with it.
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The accurate mag guy was supposed to email me a template drawing to see if his bottom metal will fit but the email has not arrived. Maybe tomorrow.
Does the HS stock utilize the same BM as the FCP-SR/accu stock? I'm wondering if that's where the difference lies.
It wasn't Phil that I talked to. He seemed to know what he was talking about as far as the proprietary metal etc etc.

Im really curious to see what the result will be from Savage. The tech on the phone didn't seem at all concerned about the mag. In fact, he told me I didn't even need to send the mag in with it. I told him I would because I want to make sure that the mag was not part of the problem. I hope that I will be able to get some feedback as to what they find.

[greyghost]

Let us know what Savage has to say, Good Luck and yes the other guy at accurate mag is very good and knows the product well, He took good care of me and was very courteous.

[vincent7]

Am pretty much convinced the problem is in the mag; check if your rounds snags in the chamber at the top end / where the scope rail is when closing the bolt; on mine the mag spring / follower is putting too much upward pressure on the rounds.

When moving the bolt forward and a round clears the mag, the cartridge jumps up from the back when it clears the mag lips, making the round go into the chamber crooked. Nose down, case head upwards. The forward moving bolt is then locking the misalligned round halfway in the chamber and makes it freeze up / jam. Take the tension of the bolt, the round alligns, and you can chamber it.

Haven't solved it 100 % but am on the right track by disassembling the mag and lowering the follower spring tension (bending the spring lightly)

Went from 3 jams in 9 rounds to maybe 1. Savage is sending a new mag so i can experiment a bit with the old one. The problem of only being able to load 9 rounds still exists..

[jb6.5]

Open the lips in the front of the mag just a little. It will allow the brass to feed up and out a little slower and smoother without poping up as bad. Should fix the problem

[vincent7]

Open the lips in the front of the mag just a little. It will allow the brass to feed up and out a little slower and smoother without poping up as bad. Should fix the problem

helps, but turns my mag into a 9 shot mag, 10th round pops out the moment you insert the mag into the rifle.

[JWPNW]

When I talked to the tech at savage he seemed to think it was very unlikely a mag issue. In fact, I specifically asked about sending in the mag and he said 'not necessary'. I sent it in anyways. I hope they will let me know what was done when it comes back. I did include a note describing the issue and requested for them to let me know what action was taken. We will see if that happens.

just before I sent it off I played around a bit with a Hornady bullet comparator. I was a little surprised to learn that factory rounds are chambering with the bullet well into the lands. Anyone else notice this with thier factory rifle?

[vincent7]

When I talked to the tech at savage he seemed to think it was very unlikely a mag issue. In fact, I specifically asked about sending in the mag and he said 'not necessary'. I sent it in anyways. I hope they will let me know what was done when it comes back. I did include a note describing the issue and requested for them to let me know what action was taken. We will see if that happens.

just before I sent it off I played around a bit with a Hornady bullet comparator. I was a little surprised to learn that factory rounds are chambering with the bullet well into the lands. Anyone else notice this with thier factory rifle?

i guess this might be a bit early, but did Savage get to your gun yet?(same issue here)

[JWPNW]

Funny you should ask. It just arrived yesterday evening.
So I started looking it over and immediately something looked different. I'm not sure, but I could almost bet it has a different barrel on it.
i was told there would be a 'invoice' when it returned showing what had been done. There was none. No paperwork whatsoever. Just a shipping label, a box and a rifle.
I called savage this morning and they tell me they couldn't find anything wrong with it but they did "disassemble, clean and headspace.
Now why would they do that if there wasn't an issue?

Now, I installed the bolt and immediately notice that it seems a little bit less loose, a fair bit smoother, and most definitely locks and unlocks easier than it did before. Not like a custom rifle or anything, but just better. Loaded up the mag and dry cycled several dozen rounds. I had one round just barely catch out of about 50-60 cycles. BTW, that was with both the factory mag and the dark eagle mag. Both were equally troublesome before.
I also checked the bullet seat to lands and guess what? Factory seating length no longer touches the lands.
So not sure what they really did, but it is way better than it was.

[Robinhood]

was it a scope mount screw or action screw?

[JWPNW]

was it a scope mount screw or action screw?

Didn't appear to be

[vincent7]

Funny you should ask. It just arrived yesterday evening.
So I started looking it over and immediately something looked different. I'm not sure, but I could almost bet it has a different barrel on it.
i was told there would be a 'invoice' when it returned showing what had been done. There was none. No paperwork whatsoever. Just a shipping label, a box and a rifle.
I called savage this morning and they tell me they couldn't find anything wrong with it but they did "disassemble, clean and headspace.
Now why would they do that if there wasn't an issue?

Now, I installed the bolt and immediately notice that it seems a little bit less loose, a fair bit smoother, and most definitely locks and unlocks easier than it did before. Not like a custom rifle or anything, but just better. Loaded up the mag and dry cycled several dozen rounds. I had one round just barely catch out of about 50-60 cycles. BTW, that was with both the factory mag and the dark eagle mag. Both were equally troublesome before.
I also checked the bullet seat to lands and guess what? Factory seating length no longer touches the lands.
So not sure what they really did, but it is way better than it was.

"Factory seating length no longer touches the lands" I wonder if they set the barrel a bit further out... No sure if you handload / know your rifle's dimensions well, but it would be interesting to see what the brass tells you, if it expands differently then before (less or more expansion when firing), expecially near the base, then you might indeed have a different barrel.

Well, they took care of you fast, that's good.

Am going to send mine in for the same issues you experienced; it has a real nice tight chamber and is really accurate, despite the tooling marks in the bore at the last half inch of the muzzle, but these feed issues are driving me nuts.

[vincent7]

spoke to Savage, gun is going back on Monday... In the meantime i'll just shoot my 223 heavy barrel Axis :)

[JWPNW]

Took it to the range. Note: I think they returned the rifle with a new mag. not a rub mark or scratch on it.

Checking the brass after firing. Head space is very close to the same within .0005~.001 of before. The bullet to land difference is about .030 from previous. 168 BTHP's now set about .020 from the lands now and 175 BTHP are basically touching the lands. significant difference.

Now, gets a little interesting here....at the range i had a couple of rounds hang up toward the end of my session while using the new factory 4 round mag.
Got home, cleaned the rifle. Dry cycled some more rounds. The factory mag is now repeating the before mentioned hang ups. It's quite bad and gets worse the more i try. it quickly got to the point where every other round hangs up. The Dark Eagle is feeding flawlessly. Not a single hiccup. very smooth. I'm noticing the fact mag spring feels really soft, Kinda mushy.
The DE spring is much snappier and stronger not to mention the machined aluminum follower which seems to be a 'anti-tilt' design. It's a night and day difference in how the rounds feed. I'm thinking Im going to toss the factory and buy another DE. for a second mag. Will do another range session next week with only the Dark Eagle and see if it exhibits any issues.
Keep in mind, Before I sent it in, both mags were having the hang up issue, so I feel something definitely changed in the rifle.
When i first got it back,initially both were working well, but now the factory one has became problematic very quickly. the DE seems to be of good quality and working very well
Disappointing to have to chase this rabbit on a $1K rifle.
As far as accuracy, i was able to get some nice three round groups, but 4th and 5th seemed to walk off. Holding off judgement until i get a few more down range and try a couple of different loads. Also, could have just been me not being quite on for the day. another trip or two to the bench will reveal the story there.

[vincent7]

Took it to the range. Note: I think they returned the rifle with a new mag. not a rub mark or scratch on it.

Checking the brass after firing. Head space is very close to the same within .0005~.001 of before. The bullet to land difference is about .030 from previous. 168 BTHP's now set about .020 from the lands now and 175 BTHP are basically touching the lands. significant difference.

Now, gets a little interesting here....at the range i had a couple of rounds hang up toward the end of my session while using the new factory 4 round mag.
Got home, cleaned the rifle. Dry cycled some more rounds. The factory mag is now repeating the before mentioned hang ups. It's quite bad and gets worse the more i try. it quickly got to the point where every other round hangs up. The Dark Eagle is feeding flawlessly. Not a single hiccup. very smooth. I'm noticing the fact mag spring feels really soft, Kinda mushy.
The DE spring is much snappier and stronger not to mention the machined aluminum follower which seems to be a 'anti-tilt' design. It's a night and day difference in how the rounds feed. I'm thinking Im going to toss the factory and buy another DE. for a second mag. Will do another range session next week with only the Dark Eagle and see if it exhibits any issues.
Keep in mind, Before I sent it in, both mags were having the hang up issue, so I feel something definitely changed in the rifle.
When i first got it back,initially both were working well, but now the factory one has became problematic very quickly. the DE seems to be of good quality and working very well
Disappointing to have to chase this rabbit on a $1K rifle.
As far as accuracy, i was able to get some nice three round groups, but 4th and 5th seemed to walk off. Holding off judgement until i get a few more down range and try a couple of different loads. Also, could have just been me not being quite on for the day. another trip or two to the bench will reveal the story there.

So the headspace stayed about the same, but your throat got longer / shorter? That makes no sense to me, unless they installed another barrel.(?)

[JWPNW]

vincent. Please report when yours gets back. Will be curious of the results.

[vincent7]

vincent. Please report when yours gets back. Will be curious of the results.

Will do, gun should land at Savage this coming Monday. Any luck with yours?

[vincent7]

Got her back... action cleaned, then test fired by Savage.

Got the same barrel / action back, they did touch up / work on that dent in the fluting, but it still has that darn feed issue when the bolt is operated quickly, and / or when chambering a round while using more then 1 finger on the bolt knob. It needs to be baby-fed with just a thumb. 9 rounds is all the mag takes reliably.

I can live with 9 rounds, but these feed issues flippin' suck. If it werent so darn accurate i would have gotten rid of it one way or the other.

No more new model Savage rifles for me till i see troublefree guns and mags.

[rlh2]

I had a similar problem with an fcpk when I changed out the factory ejector to a SSS ejector. After doing some online research to alleviate the problem I came across a thread on Accurateshooter where it was said the ejector was proud. I put the original back in and the feeding issue went away, so maybe check that the ejector is not proud. Do a google search for "Accurateshooter.com proud ejector" for more information.

[vincent7]

I had a similar problem with an fcpk when I changed out the factory ejector to a SSS ejector. After doing some online research to alleviate the problem I came across a thread on Accurateshooter where it was said the ejector was proud. I put the original back in and the feeding issue went away, so maybe check that the ejector is not proud. Do a google search for "Accurateshooter.com proud ejector" for more information.

you mean this (?);


http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/chamfer-ejector/