Wolf Primers- Anyone have any Real Data- ES/SD/ Accuracy vs. CCIBr or Fed210M?

[savageboy]

Hey guys, with the current primer situation (have we ever figured out what is really causing this?- another topic) has anyone tried the Wolf Primers and got any Real data with their match/ most accurate loads. I'd be interested how they compared accuracy wise, ES/ SD,etc.

[xman77777]

I switched to Wolf SRM several months ago, couldn"t find BR4s anymore. Bought several thousand and have been redoing all my 6br loads with them. I think the cup is at least as hard as the CCI, and handles similar velocities/pressures about the same. They are noticably larger in diameter than the silver primers, and snug right up in pockets that were getting loose with CCI

Accuracy is terrific, one of my loads is shooting in the .1's, (Berger 95VLD with Varget hard into the lands) and SD is basically the same as I was getting from the BR4s, single digits on my best loads to around 20 with the lighter bullets. Results with Rl15, Varget, and N135 were consistent, all powders had to be reduced from .8 to 1.4 grains with the magnum, but I believe they would be very close with standard Wolf.

I was skeptical until some of the guys on this forum started giving them good marks, but now I think I will stay with them even when supplies return to normal. Also a lot lighter on the wallet than the BR$.

Rod

[savageboy]

Thanks for the input. I did a search on our site here and the 6mmbr. com site. Didn't find anything here, but the 6mmbr. site info looked promising. So just so I understand, you went from a standard primer in CCI to the Mag. Primer with Wolf? Why did you do that? Was it all that was available or did you want to try it in your rifle? Just wondering

[stevec]

I have tried all diff types of primers and onc3e I went to Wolf SMR's its all I buy. I dont think I get any better SD's but they sure are not any wrse. I get fantastic accurracy with them. I am currently thinking of rebarreling my 6-250 AI to 6X47L and one of the reasons (other than Lapua brass) is the small primer pocket so I can use my Wolf SMR's.

The SMR is the only wolf I've tried but I wouldnt hesitate on any of the other sizes.

Steve

[savageboy]

Cool, well then I just saved myself about $80 inc. hazmat, shipping,etc. on 5000 primers then- got the Wolf vs the Fed 210M on back order at Cabellas

[sinman]

I use wolfs all the time. I really liked them at $16 per 1k

[stevec]

Best deal I got on them was $95 per 5000 from Powder Valley but, That was before the primer deficit of 2009!

Steve

[wbm]

David Tubb says he uses wolf primers exclusively after testing them against others. They work for me. Have access to wolf small rifle primers in both standard and magnum but cannot find large rifle.

[savageboy]

I just paid $135 + $3 handling + shipping + $22.50 Hazmat. from Bruno's for 5000. I had to take it like a man when paying for them! I remember not ever buying primers at gunshows unless they were $10/ 1000.

[pbcaster45]

Planning to do such a test soon with either my Savage or Remington 308 Winchesters - if the weather will cooperate. I'll be comparing Wolfs, BR2, and Federal 210Ms (yeah, I manage to find some!). Probably the Savage since its the most accurate. If I use the Remington 700 SPS it will probably be with the GMM duplication load I've been working on.

Bullet: Sierra 168 gr. HPBT MatchKing
Powder: Hodgdon Varget 43.0 grs.
Primer: CCI-BR2
Case: Federal
LOAL: 2.800 (2.230 base to ogive with Stoney Point)


#1 2668.05
#2 2645.89
#3 2666.88
#4 2639.55
#5 2636.10
#6 2626.37
#7 2654.60
#8 2655.18
#9 2650.53
#10 2653.43

Avg.: 2649 fps
Spread: 41.68 fps
Std Dev: 13.07

The Remington is a good rifle but the 16FLHSS has a Lothar Walther barrel and more scope magnification.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc265/pbcaster45/700SPSBeautyShot.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc265/pbcaster45/01Sierra168grHPBTMatchking100yards.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc265/pbcaster45/SSSMcMillan16FLHSSRangeTest.jpg

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc265/pbcaster45/16FLHSS100yards.jpg

[hershey]

what is your barrel length? i am running 44gr varget w/ 168smk's, i have a 30" tube, based on what i am seeing here, i can get out to 1000 and stay supersonic.

on the wolf primers, i just bit the bullet and got 20,000 from powder valley, so i hope they are good, placed the order back in febuary, and got them a couple weeks ago, i haven't run out of 210's yet, but i am not planning on replacing them if the wolfs work out.

[1Shot]

Planning to do such a test soon with either my Savage or Remington 308 Winchesters - if the weather will cooperate. I'll be comparing Wolfs, BR2, and Federal 210Ms (yeah, I manage to find some!). Probably the Savage since its the most accurate. If I use the Remington 700 SPS it will probably be with the GMM duplication load I've been working on.

Bullet: Sierra 168 gr. HPBT MatchKing
Powder: Hodgdon Varget 43.0 grs.
Primer: CCI-BR2
Case: Federal
LOAL: 2.800 (2.230 base to ogive with Stoney Point)


The Remington is a good rifle but the 16FLHSS has a Lothar Walther barrel and more scope magnification.

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc265/pbcaster45/01Sierra168grHPBTMatchking100yards.jpg



...Put another .3grs in that Remmy & it'll run with that Savage...lol...But then you knew I was going to say that.. ;)

[pbcaster45]

Yes, I did! ;D

P.S. The Remington has a 26 inch factory tube.

[BrentWin]

I remember not ever buying primers at gunshows unless they were $10/ 1000.

Yep, a penny a piece was the rule of thumb for primers in the good old days

[laportecharlie]

Back in the day we paid $45.00 for a case of 5000 Winchester primers from Wholesale Ammo @ the gun shows. Believe it or not, I still have some of them!
Charlie

[laportecharlie]

Why are you using the small magnum rifle primer instead of the standard small rifle primer? Is it a matter of availability?
Charlie

[stevec]

Charlie, I use the mags because a friend was using them in a 6ppc with great results, He give me a hundred and after i tried them I orderd 7 thousand. I have heard (dont know if its true or not) That the only diff between wolf mag and wolf standard is the hardness of the cup.

Steve

[ThorBird]

I love the Wolf SRMs and LRMs. Don't buy the standard wolf primers to use with any cartridge that develops much pressure. The wolf mags have a very heavy cup, and from everything I have read and experienced, they are no hotter than the standard, just have a thicker cup. I have had loads that the CCI 450's showed pressure signs with that the wolfs had no indication of pressure on. I have been using the wolfs with my 6BRX and 6BR, did try fed 205s with the 6BR, but found the wolfs made tighter groups. I have started using the wolfs with my .308, and am still working up loads with RL15, but with 42 gr. of RL15, the 168 SMKs and wolfs it is looking real good. That is with fed cases, haven't pulled the shiny new lapua cases out until I have settled on a load. I bought one holy load of them recently at powder valley at $25 per brick. I am set for a while on them. I am curious to try them with my 25-06 AI and 7WSM. The .204 loves the BR4s, so I'll stick with them and the 205s for now. Once you go with the Wolfs, the pocket is stretched way out.

When seating them, try to get them deep, and if using something like a lee hand seater, you will develop some good forearm muscles seating those things.

[laportecharlie]

Stevec & ThorBird,
Thanks for the info. We are going to order 10,000 on Monday. Hope they still have them!
Charlie

[stevec]

When seating them, try to get them deep, and if using something like a lee hand seater, you will develop some good forearm muscles seating those things.


No Kidding!!! ecspecialy in Lapua brass! I bought a autoprime one(always used the auto 2) just so I could use the press to seat wolfs in Lapua.

I Think you will be very happy with them.
Steve