Wolf Primers- Anyone have any Real Data- ES/SD/ Accuracy vs. CCIBr or Fed210M?

[Der Verge]

Just to let you know what is going on my side of this little world.....
I have been to several different stores in my area, and every one of them has had most powders, and they have all had primers of all varieties! Small rifle, small mag, large rifle, large etc, etc. Even some BR primers! Check your local shops. Though the prices are a little higher than they should be (about $8/1k primers higher than last year), with any luck freak out fest 2009 may just be over...............

I better not have to eat my words.........

[js223]

what is your barrel length? i am running 44gr varget w/ 168smk's, i have a 30" tube, based on what i am seeing here, i can get out to 1000 and stay supersonic.


It would take over 2900fps muzzle velocity (maybe 2930) to keep the 168 SMK supersonic at 1K. To pick up almost 300fps over what he saw is asking alot and probably an unrealistic expectation. You'll have better luck with another bullet for that distance.

[okie2]

"on the wolf primers placed the order back in febuary, and got them a couple weeks ago"
they have a 7 month delivery time?
that's not good!

[okie2]

Back in the day we paid $45.00 for a case of 5000 Winchester primers from Wholesale Ammo @ the gun shows. Believe it or not, I still have some of them!
Charlie

when I started reloading bullets were $5.00 a hundred too 1958

[pbcaster45]

Well I just finished doing my comparison of Wolf Large Rifle Primers against other domestic brands. Very interesting results, found out that just because a load has good extreme spread and low standard deviation doesn't necessarily mean it will be the most accurate. Rifle used for the test was my Custom Savage 16FLHSS with its 24 inch Lothar Walther .308 Winchester barrel (1 in 10 twist, six groove).

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc265/pbcaster45/308WSavage16FLHSS.jpg?t=1254007246

Here is the basic load used with all four primers (Wolf Large Rifle, CCI BR2, Federal 210M, Remington 9 1/2)

Bullet: Nosler Custom Competition 175 gr HPBT
Powder: Hodgdon Varget 43.5 grs.
Primer: ****
Case: Once Fired Lapua (Fulled length sized, case length 2.011)
LOAL: 2.875 (2.294 Base to Ogive with Stoney Point)
Comments: Jam length with Nosler 175 gr. HPBT is 2.312 (about 2.893 LOAL). Bullets seated to give 0.018 bullet jump.

CCI BR2 Primer
Average Velocity: 2621.32 fps
Extreme Spread: 14.73
Standard Deviation: 5.65

Federal 210 Match
Average Velocity: 2609.04 fps
Extreme Spread: 30.39
Standard Deviation: 11.22

Remington 9 1/2
Average Velocity: 2604.11 fps
Extreme Spread: 39.69
Standard Deviation: 12.80

Wolf Large Rifle
Average Velocity: 2630.21 fps
Extreme Spread: 25.19
Standard Deviation: 7.54

The two most accurate primers were the Federal 210M and Remington 9 1/2, groups were for all practical purposes identical. Second place went to the CCI BR2 and 3rd in accuracy was the Wolf primers. Here is one of the groups fired with the Wolf Primers. I'm satisfied that all these primers have excellent quality control and would just let the rifle decide what it likes best.

Typical group with Wolf Large Rifle Primers

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc265/pbcaster45/WolfGroup100yds.jpg?t=1254008730

[Blue Avenger]

play with the seating depth and you could make that look better :)

[1Shot]

play with the seating depth and you could make that look better :)


..What he say...lol... ;)...Look's like the Wolf's are just a touch hotter than the 210's or 9 1/2's...

[pbcaster45]

1Shot,

I'll probably have to do another accuracy test, the wind gust were murder today and I wasn't shooting too good either. Definitely an off day... :-[

[ThorBird]

Thanks for doing this test. Very good info.

[Nitroused383]

Not sure at which range you are testing but you should do atleast 200-300 yards. Also I would suggest a 10 shot group to get the best average otherwise you may be basing decisions off of inconclusive results. Too bad you did not have an winchester large rifle primers, people seem to have great results with them in .308 and 06 size cases. Thanks for the results though I know it takes a lot of time and work.

[pbcaster45]

I did all the load testing at 100 yards but next time I'll try 200. I'll need to locate some heavier targets too, the ones I was using were too thin and not producing good holes to measure. But this was more about velocity, ES, and SD this time around. Next time it's group testing all the way! I don't really enjoy chronograph work!