SAVAGE and BHW chosen for 6.5 CREEDMOOR build

[PB_Crisp]

Amazing. Really.

Just curious, besides the machine itself, what, approximately, did it cost your friend to "print" that thing? I imagine it is simply plastic, so is something like that expensive to make?

I don't have a 3d printer, and I can only relay what info I get during breaks at work:
spool of about 2 lbs of plastic costs about $20.
That print for the grip area was about .25 lbs.
So, doing quick head math...that cost about $2.50

[foxx]

^^^^ That's incredible! LOL I'm amazed.

[sharpshooter]

The plastic model may be good for general feel, but once you add the trigger and trigger guard, and in the proper place it may not be comfortable at all.
Any time I make a new pattern, I use a mock up trigger locator to get the placement right. All Savage stocks use the rear action screw hole as a reference to cut the inlet. Once the hole is there, the stock is fixtured on a pin in that hole. That is the x,y .0.

[PB_Crisp]

Slow and Steady progress:

I have all the boards that will make up the rifle stock. 3 piece laminate.

The current plan is for a 70mm wide blank. I 20 I 30 I 20 I
Bought a piece of 4/4 rough and a piece of 5/4 rough.

The 4/4 actually measured an average of 0.98"
(under 1"!...I would think 4/4 would be just over!!)

or 24.95mm. This made jointing, planing and sanding the boards flat a bit challenging, as I didn't have much to work with.
Typically, jointers like to work between 1/64th and 1/32nd of a inch, which converts to 0.4mm - 0.8mm.
You can see, I could only pass the boards across the jointer a few times if I expected to have enough left to plane the other side.

The 5/4 measured 1.305" or 33.15mm. Again, not much spare to work with if I wanted to finish at 30mm.


Jointer time:
12" Powermatic Jointer!!!$$!!!
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h32m30s224_zpscgvuimwj.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h32m30s224_zpscgvuimwj.jpg.html)

Little more Jointer time...this time slightly out of focus:
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h36m50s899_zpsxpmzxztf.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h36m50s899_zpsxpmzxztf.jpg.html)

Finished with this stage:
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h37m13s742_zpsmbjdm84n.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h37m13s742_zpsmbjdm84n.jpg.html)

On to the Planer:
I think this is a 24" wide planer...capable of a 24" deep piece. Huge machine. Auto thickness adjustments. Just punch in the desired thickness. It even does millimeters, for knuckleheads like me.

This was towards the end of planing the center piece. I think this was the last pass, before moving on to the sander.
No, I do not own such amazing equipment. However, for $5 and hour, I can use a room full of wood-working awesomeness to my hearts content.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h33m33s722_zpsuodz4oli.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h33m33s722_zpsuodz4oli.jpg.html)

Drum Sander Stage:
This is another stupidly awesome machine. 36" wide belt drum sander. (the belt runs over multiple drums...this is not what I might think of when you say drum sander)
There is no auto-thickness adjustment. You need to know what the piece measures, and know what you want to take off the piece.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/IMG_5685_zpsdz4rovrl.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/IMG_5685_zpsdz4rovrl.jpg.html)

I started just running single pieces through.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h35m44s660_zpss8upb3mj.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h35m44s660_zpss8upb3mj.jpg.html)

After a few passes to get myself comfortable with the sequence, I started running multiple pieces through at once. Each piece needs to get run through a few times in each direction and face. Adjustments are made to reach the final thickness and to account for any rough spots from the planer grabbing the grain.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h36m16s180_zpsyaaki05x.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/vlcsnap-2015-03-31-21h36m16s180_zpsyaaki05x.jpg.html)

AND...here's a shot of some of the final product.
That's some curly/tiger maple and a block of purpleheart.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/IMG_5687_zpsyckj0khu.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/IMG_5687_zpsyckj0khu.jpg.html)

I am going to try to get the band-saw work done on the blank profiles and get the glue-up done later this week.

Thanks for reading so far.
-PB

[PB_Crisp]

The Band Saw idea did not work. In order to make the cuts that I wanted, I would have needed an 16.5" clearance bandsaw. I have access to one with 15.75" (or so) of clearance.
I ended up Jig sawing out the pieces.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/903_zpspy30uplp.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/903_zpspy30uplp.jpg.html)

Draw some lines, drill some holes, follow the lines with the jigsaw. Repeat.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/907_zpsz5z3eu3r.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/907_zpsz5z3eu3r.jpg.html)

Didn't take long, and I had a stack of pieces for gluing up the blank.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/910_zpshbdhvlua.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/910_zpshbdhvlua.jpg.html)

Keep in mind, the plan calls for a 3 piece laminate. 20mm side panels, with a 30mm center section.
I have enough pieces to make 3 blanks. I bought enough wood to have plenty...thereby allowing selection of the best grain section. Well, after cutting out the best sections, I had enough left over to make additional panels.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/911_zpsxch6dqs8.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/911_zpsxch6dqs8.jpg.html)

I went through each piece, and put the best grained pieces together and labeled that blank #1.
The next best pieces were put together to form blank #2
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/913_zpsh7umdqnc.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/913_zpsh7umdqnc.jpg.html)


The final center section piece had the worst rolled bark edge of all the pieces. After cutting that off and planning down, that center piece was only 29.5mm thick. This piece was used for the center section of blank #3.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/915_zpswrkwdwgs.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/915_zpswrkwdwgs.jpg.html)

[PB_Crisp]

Now its on to gluing up the blanks...
These are the pieces for Blank #3
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/916_zpsozuf7r0i.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/916_zpsozuf7r0i.jpg.html)

The pieces that make up each blank were laid out and covered with a layer of Titebond III.
I've seen folks using the roller technique for evenly spreading glue, so I gave it a try.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/918_zpsv49nilvd.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/918_zpsv49nilvd.jpg.html)

Stand all the pieces up together (glue sides in !!!)
Applying the clamps while holding the 3 pieces of the blank and trying to get a sacrificial piece of scrap in between the metal clamp and the curly maple...not fun.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/927_zpsfkutptij.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/927_zpsfkutptij.jpg.html)

Since there are lots of clamps around...I applied lots of clamps...
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/922_zpss2za7cur.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/922_zpss2za7cur.jpg.html)

I finished gluing and clamping Blank #3 (far back right) and Blank #1 (front right).
Back during the planning and sanding, I mentioned having access to a room full of woodworking equipment...there is also a gluing room, full of clamps. Its awesome.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/923_zpsiogwu3mg.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/923_zpsiogwu3mg.jpg.html)

Here, gluing up the final blank, #2.
I started with Blank #3, so that if I messed something up, it would be the one that I care least about.
Next was Blank #1 (the best one). I wanted to get that one done and leave #2 for last...in case I ran out of time or glue.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/925_zpsgqlzxtvi.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/925_zpsgqlzxtvi.jpg.html)

The last piece is a chunk of purpleheart. A lot of classic styled sporter rifle have an ebony wood tip on the fore end. This rifle is being built for my wife, and she requested a piece of purpleheart.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/928_zpsiotzqvni.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/928_zpsiotzqvni.jpg.html)

Yes, I know I just made an entire post about gluing up boards. :)
This project has been enjoyably challenging.
Thanks for reading so far.
-PB

[PB_Crisp]

I went back today to take the clamps off and clean up the edges.

Started with Blank #3 again...so I can learn on that one. You can see Blank #2 in the background. (did I mention its a glue up room full of clamps. it is awesome.)
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20002_zpsu1isywdj.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20002_zpsu1isywdj.jpg.html)

Took the blank over to the jointer to clean up the top edge. This edge will be used during the CNC process as a fixture reference.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20004_zpsewovbguv.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20004_zpsewovbguv.jpg.html)

I got some tear-out while jointing that edge. I think I was pushing it through too fast. This is why I started with Blank #3. I slowed down on all the other edges and didn't have any more problems.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20005_zpsnb4y4hov.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20005_zpsnb4y4hov.jpg.html)

Next, I cleaned up the Nose and Back edges, square to the top. 12" blade Makita sliding compound miter saw.
The back edge is also used as a fixture reference on the CNC machine later.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20006_zps8ug19qpi.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20006_zps8ug19qpi.jpg.html)

I removed Blank's #1 and #2 from the clamps and did the same steps. Below are 2 pictures of the top edge of Blank #1. Lots of Tiger Stripes.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20011_zpsgtjie5os.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20011_zpsgtjie5os.jpg.html)
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http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20012_zpsbeashlaq.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20012_zpsbeashlaq.jpg.html)

Last step for today. I brought all three blanks over to the table saw. Saw Stop brand (https://youtu.be/eiYoBbEZwlk).;
There is a little green light near the on-off switch. The green light says the Saw thinks there is nothing conductive (like my finger) touching the blade.
Should I get kinda dumb while making this cut...and allow my finger to touch the spinning blade, the saw mashes an aluminum brake into itself and stops spinning within 1/1000th of a second.
I watched a few Youtube videos and was amazed. Do NOT TRY THIS AT HOME.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20018_zpsbkss9ubo.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20018_zpsbkss9ubo.jpg.html)

I set the guide fence to JUST take the bottom edge off the Blanks.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20016_zps5boshydg.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20016_zps5boshydg.jpg.html)

This one's all cleaned up.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20015_zpsass3s17z.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20015_zpsass3s17z.jpg.html)

And...all done for the day. Here are all 3 blanks cleaned and prepped for the next stage.
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20019_zpsplcz8w8m.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20019_zpsplcz8w8m.jpg.html)
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http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20021_zpsdi8kz9bj.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20021_zpsdi8kz9bj.jpg.html)
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http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w1/PB_CRISP/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20020_zps1ghdysdl.jpg (http://s172.photobucket.com/user/PB_CRISP/media/65_C_WOODWORK/2015_04_04%20020_zps1ghdysdl.jpg.html)

Next, I need to get prepared on how I am going to cut out the riser.
Thanks for reading so far.
-PB

[Bigdave1977]

Man, this is really interesting, I had no clue their were shops that would let you rent their equipment for $5 an hour. That is really awesome.

[PB_Crisp]

This project is back on.

A lot...a very lot has happened since this last post on this thread. However, suffice it to say that stock is being cut out. After storage for ~3 years, the stock blank that was chosen was #2 from the process above. Blanks #1 and #3 have a small bit of moisture damage. They might be salvageable, but its not worth risking for this. Blank #2 is clean, and it is in the midst of being cut on the CNC machine. Pics and details to follow.

The forum warned me that this post was over 39 months old and that I shouldn't continue it. We'll see if that proves true.

[PB_Crisp]

It takes some effort to get this project off the ground.
Things change over time.

I am not using the same CAD/CAM software anymore. I have to open those old files, export them from FreeCAD (open source CAD I was using) and import into AutoDesk Fusion360 (CAD/CAM software that I am using currently.

This takes some effort, but I think I have done it successfully.
https://s33.postimg.cc/6v9u57dm7/RB_v2_3_2_v5.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/x3kyukxpn/)

[PB_Crisp]

Everything looks pretty good. It is not until further inspection that I noticed the issue. One of the Barrel Cooling Ports is closed off. This will have to be dealt with later.

https://s26.postimg.cc/bnk98ijah/RB_v2_3_2_v5_TEAR_DRP_GOOF_2.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[PB_Crisp]

Part 1 of 8 (or more) is complete.
The stock is larger than the area that my CNC machine can reach at any one time. Thus, I have to setup and cut out smaller portions of the overall stock...being careful how I align things. CNC machine has to have an origin to work from. I chose the bottom left corner of the Stock Blank as my starting point. Everything gets 'zeroed' off that point.

https://s26.postimg.cc/m6tfopavd/20180619_071433.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4tj59ufk5/)

[mnbogboy2]

Very interesting post.
Keep it going,
Randy

[Robinhood]

You have my attention.

[PB_Crisp]

I have made a bit more progress.
Things are slow going. I have the machine set to rough away the majority of the material...followed by 2 different finishing passes.
Also, I am using an old craftsman router donated by a friend. While this is an improvement on the little trim router used to cut out the first stock (see 220-Swift in earlier posts), it is still slow going. This old router sounds like it is going to scream itself to a million pieces.
The plastic tent keeps the sawdust from taking over the basement and the rest of the house.

https://s26.postimg.cc/vq3l1whzt/20180620_231029_MOD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

At the beginning of the CNC cutting, you have to Zero the machine and tell it where the material is. You have to tell it where the ZERO-Point is to start from. I used the very bottom back corner of the stock Blank as the starting point. Here, there are problems. I will be cutting this area away...and I cant 'reach' it later when I am cutting the front section. It will be too far away for my machine's limited travel space.

SO...I have to use the original Zero-Point to make a new one that I can reach and reference later. This is actually a hole that I drill using the machine.
https://s26.postimg.cc/lg162pxa1/20180620_231017_MOD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The Metal Hold-Downs are very effective for keeping the Stock Blank exactly in place on the CNC table. The involve a system of cantilevers and threaded rods and grooved blocks. Regardless of how the work...the are made of hard metal, and the Wood Router Bit does not like them. I have to clamp the Stock in a manner that allows a section to be cut and also prevents the router bit from running into one of these metal pieces.

Added to these challenges - I have to have some flat sections left after the stock is cut on this 'right' side.
I will then (eventually) flip the Stock Blank over and cut the 'left' side. The flat areas that are left will allow me to position the Stock Blank on the CNC table in a flat and level manner.

[ToolAA]

I have made a bit more progress.
Things are slow going. I have the machine set to rough away the majority of the material...followed by 2 different finishing passes.
Also, I am using an old craftsman router donated by a friend. While this is an improvement on the little trim router used to cut out the first stock (see 220-Swift in earlier posts), it is still slow going. This old router sounds like it is going to scream itself to a million pieces.
The plastic tent keeps the sawdust from taking over the basement and the rest of the house.

https://s26.postimg.cc/vq3l1whzt/20180620_231029_MOD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

At the beginning of the CNC cutting, you have to Zero the machine and tell it where the material is. You have to tell it where the ZERO-Point is to start from. I used the very bottom back corner of the stock Blank as the starting point. Here, there are problems. I will be cutting this area away...and I cant 'reach' it later when I am cutting the front section. It will be too far away for my machine's limited travel space.

SO...I have to use the original Zero-Point to make a new one that I can reach and reference later. This is actually a hole that I drill using the machine.
https://s26.postimg.cc/lg162pxa1/20180620_231017_MOD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I love seeing guys make their own CNC equipment them use it to make parts. Great work.

I built a small CNC and I usually make some sort of block that I rest or secure against one corner of the work piece. This way if something gets screwed up I can still reposition everything.

[PB_Crisp]

To cut one side of the stock out of the Stock Blank, I have to cut in stages.
Each stage involves un-bolting the Blank from the CNC Table, moving and aligning, and then re-bolting the Blank to the table.

In addition, I have to generate G-Code for each section. Here you can see the ~4 setups for this side of the Stock.

https://s26.postimg.cc/4jc3a07mx/20180620_231103_MOD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)


I tell Fusion 360 what I want the Router to do. I have a roughing operation for this area. Just for admin purposes, I name each section based on where it is.
Back-Bottom-Right (BBR)
Top-Back-Right (BTR)
Top-Middle-Right (TMR)
Top-Front-Right (TFR)

Each of these have a roughing and 2 finishing passes.
I set the CAM portion of Fusion 360 to do a Parallel finish for the portions that are more flat (0 - 30 degrees)
Then, a Contour method that follows the stock shape and steps down incrementally for the portions that are steeper (28 - 90 degrees)
There is overlap between the 2 finishing strategies.

https://s26.postimg.cc/k4tetyz0p/20180620_231134_MOD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

The CNC machine then runs this G-Code (machining language) and controls the stepper motors to tell the machine where to go and how fast and etc.

https://s26.postimg.cc/szu94hg3d/20180620_231044_MOD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[ToolAA]

What NC Software are you using? Also what control board did you choose for your CNC? I really like seeing what other guys build and I’m thinking about building small CNC Lathe or modifying a Grizzly mini lathe.

Also did you teach yourself Fusion 360? I’ve got 30+ years of 2D autocad experience, designing machenery and connectors. Now I’m no longer in that line of work but I’ve been teaching myself how to use Fusion 360. It was daunting for a bit, as I would design 2d sections in AutoCAD and import them as sketches into Fusion. Now I’m rapidly getting used to making sketches in Fusion so I think I’ve made it past the tipping point. You have inspired me to think about making a replacement stock for my Axis II.


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[PB_Crisp]

Well...
That didnt go as planned.
The Old Router has been screaming at me. Its gotten loud enough that the kids are complaining.
I am pretty sure the bearings are shot. The 'spindle' rattles back and forth.

Add to that frustration, the spindle lock that lets you loosen or tighten the collet on the bit wouldn't work.
I took it apart to see what was up.
Seems the spindle lock mechanism has been rubbing the spindle and eating itself.

https://s26.postimg.cc/n5arhb8vd/20180621_211211_MOD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I am going to need a new Router.
Craigslist for a replacement!

[ToolAA]

Well...
That didnt go as planned.
The Old Router has been screaming at me. Its gotten loud enough that the kids are complaining.
I am pretty sure the bearings are shot. The 'spindle' rattles back and forth.

Add to that frustration, the spindle lock that lets you loosen or tighten the collet on the bit wouldn't work.
I took it apart to see what was up.
Seems the spindle lock mechanism has been rubbing the spindle and eating itself.

https://s26.postimg.cc/n5arhb8vd/20180621_211211_MOD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

I am going to need a new Router.
Craigslist for a replacement!

Man sorry to hear that. What is your router Budget? We have a few Porter Cable 3.5hp models at the shop that are very solid workhorses.


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