gotta love Shilen....

[yobuck]

For $15 bucks an hour you better jump on that!! But make sure hes a roofer.
My labor would be $100 per square up to 6n12 and goes up $50 bucks an inch past that...the $100per would include tear off...i wont roof over old shingles it looks like sh!t after a summer and the chance of blow off is high...i like you but dont want to be married to your roof lol!!

Again just joking.

[LongRange]

Again just joking.


I figured lol

[LongRange]

well i went out today and shot 50 rounds and was on my game but the results are pretty sad to say the least...i had this barrel chambered to shoot slower powders but got caught up in barrel life and round count. now we all know that slower burning powders burn hotter than faster powders so inturn slower powders will burn a barrel out faster but a barrel is a consumable just like powder,primers and brass so at this point im no longer concerned with barrel life and next weekend will start load development with the powders i had this barrel chambered for..H4831sc..IMR7828ssc and norma MRP...the norma MRP and IMR7828...according to quick load...shows the best velocities,lowest pressures and best barrel life as 99.7% of the charge is burnt in the barrel with MPR and 100% with the 7828...H4831sc shows 98.37% burnt in the barrel but i had great accuracy with it but couldnt get enough if the cases with my old barrel. now for those of you not familiar with all these numbers this is how your most accurate loads will break down in any riffle...IN THEORY...100 to 101% full case and 100% powder burnt in barrel will produce the most accurate and consistent loads and longest barrel life. ill try some RL-17 as well but it only shows about 93% full at max loads but ive had great results with it as well plus i have 7lbs of it.

now im not sure why but the first 54 rounds of 100V and H4350 shot nice tight groups but now not so great...even with different primers and torque settings on the rear screw...like i said maybe the wind blowing them into the same hole LOL....

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all the other groups i shot today were worse than these and not even worth posting.

[LongRange]

ok this was a long weekend lol. saturday i went out twice...i shot norma MRP, RL-22,and H4831sc...the second time out i shot the best of these powders with different primers to see if i could get a handle on the wild ES's with the RL-22 and MRP and to fine tune the H4831sc...primers didnt help much with the RL-22 or the MRP but i was shooting them pretty fast so ill drop the charges and play with both a little more....this was the first time out and the worst spread was RL-22 but the MRP was about the same speeds but 58FPS...the second time out the best was with a fed210 primer but was still 40FPS...

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[LongRange]

now sunday was one of the worst days EVER...first time out 730am...i get out to my spot and get all set up to shoot grab my ammo out of my bag and as i go to set the box on my mat the lid caught on my coat pocket and my ammo dumped every where...now this wouldnt of been a problem but i had loaded up a 10 rounds with RL-17 and BR-2s and 20 rounds with H4831sc at different seating depths...10 were with BR-2s and 10 with fed 210s.

second time out...915am....i get all set up and am REAL careful setting my ammo down on my mat and every things going good...round 1...3075FPS WTF!!! i thought something wrong with my chrony?? so i check everything and fire round 2...3070FPS...then it hits me like a kick in the nutz...this is H4530 NOT H4831sc...my wife was vacuuming when i left the first time and moved my powders around but its my fault for not looking before dumping it in the hopper....i did shoot 3 more rounds as it wasnt showing any of the typical pressure signs other than flat primers but im pretty sure the primer pockets are opened up on those 5pcs...now the funny thing is those 5 rounds were the best ES ive EVER had...round 3-3072FPS..round 4-3073FPS..round-5 3072FPS...to bad this is WAY WAY to hot!!! needless to say i pulled the rest of these apart.

3rd time out 1pm...well this was a bad day that ended well....
140g hornady
.006 off lands
.003 neck tension
fully prepd lapua brass
46.3g H4831sc
fed210 ES 20FPS or BR-2 21FPS they both shoot about the same with a slight edge going to the fed210 by 1FPS
2834-2854FPS...i will tighten this up a little next weekend...i think i can get this in the single digits with a few tricks

4th time out to verify load...2pm...5 rounds 330yds...this group was a little bit tighter the 3rd time out but the wind was blowing and i was pretty burnt out after going out 6 times in a weekend....

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ill also play around a little more with the MRP and will also try some RL-17 when i get a chance.

[LongRange]

well im done playing with the 140g hornadys as they just will not shoot consistently in my riffle...this is the exact same problem i had in my 300 with bergers.
the group above was shot last weekend so i took off work yesterday to verify this load and get my dopes as we were supposed to have a practice match today but its snowing and raining and my power went out last night about 1 and didnt come back on until 630 this morning.
anyway here are a couple of groups i shot yesterday...every thing was as close to exactly the same as possible...

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[LongRange]

i think ill just stick to the 142g SMKs....this is the second group ive shot with the 142g SMKs in this new barrel....the first was yesterday morning but was a little fast so i dropped the charge a little and headed back out to check speed and grouping but by the time i got back out it was windy and snowing but i shot a few just to see...i will verify this load and chrony tomorrow if its decent out....43.4g of H4350 was running 2879-2890 and was about a 2.5" group so i backed down to 43.1g....again keep in mind it was windy and snowing pretty good when i shot this group and have done no fine tuning at all...

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this was on the way out it was just starting to snow...

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[LongRange]

well i guess ill be spending the extra money for the 142gSMKs and selling or trading off the 140g hornadys...i shot 32 SMKs this morning with H4350 so basically 6 groups and chronied all rounds....3 groups had a 13FPS ES 1 was 14FPS and one was 12FPS and im sure i can get this into the single digits when i get all my brass ironed out and shoulders all back to the same size. i also shot some H hybrid 100V and was pretty happy with how it shot and i think dropping the charge a little more and seating depth or a primer change the 100V will shoot just as well as the 4350 does....

the low right shot was the first round...next 5 are in the yellow after adjusting my scope...this was the second group i shot with zero wind....

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this was the first group...5 rounds left from friday...

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this was the the 4th group and the wind was starting to blow and couldnt make up its mind which way it wanted to blow...

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by now wind was blowing about 10mph and changing....

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this was the last group and wind was about 10mph and coming from about 1 o'clock....

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[LongRange]

and the 100V load with a few tweaks....i had 17 odd sized cases so i went out to get them straightened out so all my cases would be back to the same...i really like the 100V because it seams to burn much cooler than other powders plus its cheap LOL.

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[Steelhead]

Are you cleaning the barrel and shooting fowlers after bullet and/or powder changes?

[LongRange]

No...this barrel holds VERY little copper and i maybe wrong but i dont think different burnt powders would make it shoot that bad...most of the 140g hornadys were shot with h4831sc or 100V....i dont know what the deal is with them but i had the same issues with the old barrel and the 140s.
Last weekend 4831 shot nice tight groups this weekend 3+"...same brass,primers,bullet and powder lots....same neck tension seating depth and all brass preped the same and i know that weather is a factor but ive NEVER seen it effect my loads like this. Im at a loss here and have basically wasted 350 rounds of barrel life chasing these bullets....

[Steelhead]

My barrel is the same but if I change bullets or powders my accuracy goes south for quite a few shots.

[LongRange]

My barrel is the same but if I change bullets or powders my accuracy goes south for quite a few shots.

hummm...never even thought about this but it does make sense as everything else will effect accuracy.

also today is our first match of the season...ill be shooting the 142g SMKs and hybrid 100V...should be interesting as i have no hard dopes and the two higher classes dont get any sighters this year...thats ok if me and this load dont shoot well today at least ill get to shoot sighters next match LOL!!!

[LongRange]

tough day at the match today...930am started out dead calm and my dopes were all WAY HIGH so my first string(first 5 shots)were high and i shot 0...i adjusted elevation and shot a 5 outtta 5 on the way back down. next string everything was all over and shot a 4 outta 10...sad i know but we had some really strange winds blowing today...dead calm at the line and 3.5MOA right at the 650 coyote. i shot a 24 and took 3rd in my class which im happy with as i was shooting blind with no hard dopes.

[eddiesindian]

I feel your pain dave. I gave amax a go sometime back and I couldn't get them to give me consistancy. A real pisser. They,d give me nice and tight groupings to the Point of me going ahead and taking speed readings to start my ballistic calculations thinking I've hit pay dirt. Only to find that the groupings went hay wire 3rd time out. Amax bullets for some reason giving me a hard time in two different calibers. I've gone back to smk years ago. Went right back to where I started.

[eddiesindian]

On another note, I've decided to go 260 on one of my rebarrels. I haven't ordered the barrel yet,but got myself an 8 lb jug of h4350 , brass,dies,bullets. All I need now is a barrel Lolo lol guess I'm doing this back ass wards

[LongRange]

On another note, I've decided to go 260 on one of my rebarrels. I haven't ordered the barrel yet,but got myself an 8 lb jug of h4350 , brass,dies,bullets. All I need now is a barrel Lolo lol guess I'm doing this back ass wards

no your doing it right...4350 is still kinda hard to find and if it dont work out its easy to trade off or sell. if your going 260 id also suggest you try H hybrid 100V and re-loader 17 as ive had better luck with both over H4350 in 2 barrels. also the 142g SMKs have been the go to in both barrels.
i played around a little with the HBN coating on sunday again and had some wild FPS again,not a 100% sure why but once again when seating the coated bullets they feel gritty like sand. i think ill just stick to naked bullets as the load i have worked up has a 13FPS and shoots pretty good and with a little fine tuning should turn into a 1 hole group...another thing is im starting to think my new-er chrony may be off as i went out last wednesday after work to double check my FPS for dopes for the match on saturday and my first 5 rounds were all way high at the match...i figured my dopes at 2845FPS and my actual dopes were 2915FPS.

a couple of target pics from last sunday....

first group...clean HBN treated barrel...

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third group....

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[eddiesindian]

great grouping.......
freken flyers will make you scratch when you dont itch.........
When Im doing my ladder test and am starting to hone in and send 4 rds out with 1 hole groupings, Im almost tempted to not send the 5th cause sure as ****!.......its a flyer!
those times i get 5 shots in one hole on ladder test is almsot like ive won the freken lottery.........

[LongRange]

great grouping.......
freken flyers will make you scratch when you dont itch.........
When Im doing my ladder test and am starting to hone in and send 4 rds out with 1 hole groupings, Im almost tempted to not send the 5th cause sure as ****!.......its a flyer!
those times i get 5 shots in one hole on ladder test is almsot like ive won the freken lottery.........

i gave up on ladder tests a long time ago,ive never found an accurate consistent load with ladder tests.

[LongRange]

i just got back from checking my new bata chrony against my old F-1 chrony and was surprised at the spreads between the two at lower speeds...up to 70FPS with an average of 50FPS below 2800FPS. now the funny thing is the faster the load the closer the two chronys clocked speeds...maybe some of you guys have an explanation for this?

anyway i was pretty much sold on 42.5g of hybrid 100V as im getting bug holes at 205yds and a consistent 13 to 18FPS ES and it shot fantastic at the match last saturday. i cleaned the barrel down to steel friday night to get the HBN out of it from last sunday and decided to test the chronys with RL-17 as i have quite a bit of it and all i can say is im glad i did. i had 10 rounds left from the match and used those as foulers which didnt work out so well as it took those 10 and 10 of the RL-17 rounds before the barrel settled down and started to shoot. all of this also helped me figure a few things out with this new barrel...first it does not hold copper so im thinking about 500 rounds before cleanings...second it likes to shoot fast...anything under 2850FPS groups are about 2 to 3 inches...at 2860 groups tighten up...at 2900 to about 2935 groups are bug holes..IF im on my game....

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chronys back to back 12 ft from muzzle...the F-1 is first in line...

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pulled shots are ALL me...i will go out tomorrow and confirm loads...and be in a little better shape LOL...

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