Beware: 10FCP-SR has been changed

[benellibill]

OK guys, Gonna jump on into this thread and hopefully get my head wrapped around this mess. First, I am new here but not to weapons and shooting. I spent quite a few years in the Army but not enough to retire. I am also new to Savage and add to that, new to bolt guns. Im a big AR nut but want to change it up a bit so after, like many here, doing a good bit of research on the web (I know, not the best place to do "research") I thought I had found a decent place to start my new project, the Savage 10FCP-SR in .308. Whoa, then I found this thread. How did I not find this thread before buying, I don't know. Now, I noticed that a good portion of the thread is a few years old. How they got any of the issues brought to light here fixed? Mine is supposed to arrive tomorrow. Its a new, in the box FCP with the accu-trigger and accu-stock, 10 round box mag and that big, clunky looking bolt handle. The model number is 22441 and the serial number is J978371. Can anyone decipher any info by using either or both of these numbers? I plugged the serial into Savage's website and got a parts diagram for replacement parts, is that all that is supposed to come up?
Now, I may or may not keep the gun, bought from GunBroker for a really decent price so I hope it doesn't have the symptoms described here though I don't have real high hopes, I guess Im just cynical that way and then if it doesn't then I will just be pleasantly surprised. I do have a backup plan though if it does turn out to be a lemon. I walked into a local gunstore and found a 10FCP-HS .308 for the same price as I paid for the SR. The store owner said he just got it in on consignment and being that I live in a very small town he of course knows the current owner, and the gun. The store owner says the gun has had less than 100 rounds through it and the condition of the gun reflects very little use and great care. The bore is just beautiful, locking lugs are near pristine, bolt shows no binding wear and everything functions just as it should. I wasn't able to make it there in time today but called the store and asked if he still had the gun and he said he did so Im going there tomorrow. I did get the serial number while there, it is J197576 if that helps anyone determine exactly what this is, I would appreciate any info anyone may have to pass along.

I have found a source for what are supposed to be really high quality mags, Dark Eagle Custom. Theyre pricey but if I have to go that route I will. He even makes really cool MOLLE pouches for them, just for them, and an extended mag release.
I don't want to hi-jack the thread but how does everyone think the 10HS compare to the 10 SR? I mean, its the same price and near mint, well, it is mint condition. I just don't want to end up pouring 3K into what I was hoping to be a 1500$ project and then still only end up with a gun not worth either of those figures. I already have the scope, Bushnell elite tactical 6-24x50 30mm tube and a Warne 20MOA base with Warne Tactical rings. I like this set-up and have used it in the past. I just don't know which gun I will put it on.
Im not asking anyone to buy my next rifle for me but I am looking for wisdom. I am very new to bolt guns. ANy help out there? I guess I should have said this earlier, but I intend to use this whichever one I buy strictly as a paper puncher. SO, is it the 10SR or the 10HS??? Im personally leaning towards the HS but that depends on what I hear here. You guys seem pretty passionate, and pretty honest with your opinions and experiences.
And by the way, hello to all of you.

[Hotolds442]

My choice would be the 10FCP-HS. Savage has cut too many corners on the SR for me to even consider it.

[benellibill]

That's kind of the side of the fence Im leaning towards but, are there any issues with this platform ? Does it have a decent record, performance, reliability, accuracy or does it still need work to work out to the 300-500 meter range?
Thanks so much for your advice. I felt sort of bad posting this question. Im still reading through the thread and know now the problems of the new versus the old . I read so many posts starting off the exact way mine did, "New to Savage, New to bolt guns" but I did not have to ask what the differences were at least. Im really just wanting to know if they have remedied any of them or are people still having to replace the bottom metal, mags etc. How are the new versions shooting compared to the new ones? That's the real test I guess, the groups. AND, whats the track record of the HS. The 10 round mag isn't THAT big of a deal to me but would be nice.

[Hotolds442]

You may or may not get a good shooter right out of the box. Savage of late has done a crappy job of throating rifles in both 308 and 6.5, a quick search will reveal several threads concerning that. And then there's that "redesigned" magazine....Is it 10 or is it 9? Throw enough money at it and you'll have......an FCP-HS.

[benellibill]

Hum, I starting to wonder if I should just stick with AR's. Seriously, I want to try something new but my money are hard earned and I have a real quick fuse. I just don't want to waste a lot of money and end up with crap in my hands. My plan was to"hopefully" just buy a decent shooting gun out of the box and top it with a decent scope and go to the range and have some fun. Nott knowing my way around a bolt gun enough to know what to add and why, or when puts me in a situation where I have to experiment and I don't have the time, inclination, nor the funds to do that.
These companies who make stuff here in America want it to mean something just as we do but they don't either seem to be willing or able to do what it is that needs to be done to make it mean what they and we think it should mean. AHH, but Im ranting to the choir probably.
I did some more poking around last night on the interweb and surprisingly, didn't find near as much about the 10HS and the SR. Seems though I did read that the stock on it is made by Savage, where I thought it was made by HS Precision. Am I right or is what I read correct? At least the HS model Im looking at may not have the same barrel throat problems as the newer SR's and doesn't have the mag problems as the new /old SR's, plus, the dealer wants the same for the HS as I paid for the SR and as far as condition of the two, the SR I know is new and the HS appears to be the same as a new one.
Umm, what to do.

[ivob]

I have the same rifle as you serial number J554405 which I purchased last November - I have not had the opportunity to shoot it yet but have cycled my rounds through the gun without any problems - the magazine works well. Overall it feels well built - my advice would be to shoot it and keep it.

[benellibill]

ivob, do you have the FCP-SR or the FCP-HS. Im glad you like your so far but the proof is in the shooting but solid functioning is important too I guess.

[benellibill]

I took possession of my FCP-SR this afternoon and have a 3 day period in which to look it over and decide whether not I want to keep or return it and get the HS. First, the mag is absolutely rock solid with no play when inserted empty, and goes perfectly when fully loaded with all ten rounds, which it accepts just fine. I also cycled all ten rounds for feeding and extraction about 10 times and all 10 times again, it functioned fine. No problems with the follower either. When empty the mag release button/arm ejected the mag completely clear of the stock with force. I liked that.
Of course the trigger feels great and I like the overall feel of the gun, BUT, I have to ask this, should the bolt be loose and rattle a lot when in battery? When I cycle the action and am holding the rifle with my control hand and shake it, seems quite loose and noisy. I thought these guns had loose and noisy mags not bolts. Is this normal? Seems to me that it should be locked solidly in place.
I have no idea how it shoots yet, these are just my initial impressions. I may end up with both. I can get the HS for just over $600, and its new too.

[ivob]

it is the SR I purchased it at a local (well known) gun shop they recommended it - had the choice of the 20 inch or 24 inch barrel - they recommended the 24 inch

[jlefud71]

Mine is not sloppy when closed and loaded but when no round in it mine is like yours

[BigDad]

I recently purchased a new 10 FCP-SR 308 Win with a fluted 20" barrel for my son as a wedding present. I've been playing around with it and I'm very impressed with the accuracy. 100 yd groups are averaging just over .6 MOA. I've only fired 1 400 yd group so far and it was 3 rounds at .65 MOA. I'm loading 178 & 155 gr A-Max over near max charges of Varget. 178gr is loaded close to the lands, .003" jump and 155gr is .05" jump. I really like the accustock and see no need to upgrade it. I torqued the action screws to 40 inch lbs each. I installed a cheap SS muzzle break I bought off of eBay and it tamed the recoil. The only problem I've had is the magazine, the 1st round jumps out of the mag if 10 rounds are loaded and will not feed properly. The remaining 9 feed ok. Also, the barrel does not seem to foul quite as badly as my other factory Savage barrels.

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[benellibill]

Good Lord man, those look sweet.

[Steven4HIM]

Hi Benellibill,
I was in the same boat as you, looking for a bolt action rifle and came across across the Savage 10FCP-SR and was super excited to read all the wonderful reviews on it. I was about to purchase it and came across this thread and all my excitement was shattered. So after reading I'm so torn if I should take the chance and buy one or not. I guess I was wondering if you had any update on your experience. Did you end up keeping the SR or did you go with the HS? Please let me know as I really want to so badly like this rifle as the price point makes it an affordable long range rifle. Thanks.




I took possession of my FCP-SR this afternoon and have a 3 day period in which to look it over and decide whether not I want to keep or return it and get the HS. First, the mag is absolutely rock solid with no play when inserted empty, and goes perfectly when fully loaded with all ten rounds, which it accepts just fine. I also cycled all ten rounds for feeding and extraction about 10 times and all 10 times again, it functioned fine. No problems with the follower either. When empty the mag release button/arm ejected the mag completely clear of the stock with force. I liked that.
Of course the trigger feels great and I like the overall feel of the gun, BUT, I have to ask this, should the bolt be loose and rattle a lot when in battery? When I cycle the action and am holding the rifle with my control hand and shake it, seems quite loose and noisy. I thought these guns had loose and noisy mags not bolts. Is this normal? Seems to me that it should be locked solidly in place.
I have no idea how it shoots yet, these are just my initial impressions. I may end up with both. I can get the HS for just over $600, and its new too.

[benellibill]

Steven, sorry Ive not replied sooner, I did return the SR and bought the HS, and I love it, I am nothing but happy with my decision, and the price was one that I would probably not see again. The HS was "used" but neither me nor the gun store owner ( I bought it at Albrights gun store in Easton, super great guys) could find any evidence of it being fired. He said he knew the former owner. So, for just over $600 I bought a really nice, "new" used gun that retails for about two times my price.
Now for the sad part, I still haven't taken it to the range. I ended up taking longer than expected to find a scope, then I had to decide on some new rings, chopped up the stock and put in the Loggerhead hardware to make the cheekpiece adjustable. Now I'm saving for an S7 bipod. I bought a Bushnell Elite Tactical 6-24X50 and mounted it in a set of steel Badger Ordnance 306-11 rings.
The trigger in the gun feels friggin awesome and soon, very soon, I will go to the range for sighting in and testing out the tracking of the scope etc...
For the price, I'm happy with my purchase decision.
Anybody have any good stories to tell about using Duracoat? How does it hold up? I know its not in the same class as Ceracoat but whats your opinions of it? I love black guns but this one is just screaming for a paintjob.

[Buster95]

The old model with a camo stock and AI style DBM are hard to find?

[code.e.616]

Just like everyone else I was about to purchase one of these last night at Cabelas. But now I don't know. Just check online and it IS listed as an Accustock and the rifle I held had the sticker right on it. Are all Cabelas FCP-SR junk or just those Coyle SKU's from 2015? Not to hijack even more but how do they compare to the 10T? The fact they're a cabelas exclusive makes me skeptical

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[RC20]

Just a matter of checking.

Difference the 10 FCR-SR has a 20 inch barrel, acu stock, looks to be a varmint profile barrel and 308 only.

10T has a 24 inch barrel, no acu stock, varmint profile barrel and can be had in 6.5 and 308

Matter of which suits you.

[FLETCHxj]

Sorry for the newb post but I just bought a savage 10 FCP-SR in the kryptek camo. I ordered a athlon midas btr 4.5-27x50 scope for it yesterday and I'm not sure if i need to get a 20moa rail for it and what size rings? I plan on learning how to do some long distance shooting with this setup. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

[Rapid Case Kicker]

Sorry for the newb post but I just bought a savage 10 FCP-SR in the kryptek camo. I ordered a athlon midas btr 4.5-27x50 scope for it yesterday and I'm not sure if i need to get a 20moa rail for it and what size rings? I plan on learning how to do some long distance shooting with this setup. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Just so we are all clear I wanted to let you all know that the Savage Spacer (here http://rapidcasekicker.com/rck-spacer-308-savage-fcp-sr/) does not fit in the new Kryptek style stock. I had someone buy a spacer and they were a little upset that it did not fit. The Savage Spacer only fits the model that has the original digital desert camo stock. I didn't mind refunding his money, but he was disappointed and adamant it should fit his rifle.

If you have any questions please let me know.

Aaron A. Tracy
President and General Counsel - Titan RCK
(Lead Garage Inventor too)

[Onewolf]

Sorry for the newb post but I just bought a savage 10 FCP-SR in the kryptek camo. I ordered a athlon midas btr 4.5-27x50 scope for it yesterday and I'm not sure if i need to get a 20moa rail for it and what size rings? I plan on learning how to do some long distance shooting with this setup. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

20MOA rail? Yes you want one. I like the EGW: https://www.amazon.com/Evolution-Gun-Works-Savage-Picatinny/dp/B004VIM60Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1469701873&sr=8-1&keywords=egw+80302
Ring size? 30mm diameter, ring height? Not sure whether low rings are tall enough for 50mm Athlon objective scope

Curious why you bought a SFP scope rather than FFP?