Savage Axis Tactical Bolt Handle

[sharpshooter]

You better study it a little further....

[Forever draggin]

No sir, M16 does not have primary extraction.

[cranebird]

Is that a joke? Any of you ever heard of the m16? That's right, no primary extraction. There are others

I had a M16 Mauser and I'm almost certain that it did have a primary extractor.

[Forever draggin]

Nope. Look again. M16 doesn't have primary extraction. It doesn't start rearward movement until it's unlocked. Google is your friend

[bootsmcguire]

Patrick Sweeny disagrees with you Draggin'. Read THIS (http://books.google.com/books?id=6VJvMCNcu5oC&pg=PA35&lpg=PA35&dq=AR15+Primary+Extraction&source=bl&ots=g9CuMjOzdi&sig=ywhvvKU52wyQmK_OLDKPEkuhGcU&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mGkkU62PHYjhyQHTwYDwCA&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=AR15%20Primary%20Extraction&f=false) excerpt from "Gunsmithing - The AR-15"

"The Bolt rotates, driven by the cam pin riding in its slot in the carrier. The initial rotation causes 'primary extraction'."

Google is your friend. Like Sharpshooter said, do more study. The word of mall ninjas over on the hide or other forums google takes you to just isn't enough for me when I find information from known firearms experts saying otherwise.

[cranebird]

Nope. Look again. M16 doesn't have primary extraction. It doesn't start rearward movement until it's unlocked. Google is your friend

Google M16 Mauser and get back to me on that. It was 7x57 caliber. Are you thinking of the gas operated M16 ?

[sharpshooter]

The last time I checked, the M16 didn't have a bolt handle. It doesn't use levers and cams for primary extraction, it uses gas pressure...by design. There are many systems for primary extraction, some better than others. I can guarantee that all hi-power rifles have some sort of primary extraction, whatever the system may be.

[cranebird]

http://gunhub.com/attachments/rifles/9388d1173838395-m16-spanish-mauser-7mm-mauser-s_1916- This is a picture of the M16 Mauser I was talking about. Lol. Excuse me for being sarcastic and yes I was being sarcastic and yes I did at one time own a M16 Mauser. The one I had wasn't very accurate, although the bore looked to be in very good condition.

[J.Baker]

You do realize some rifles don't have primary extraction..


Is that a joke? Any of you ever heard of the m16? That's right, no primary extraction. There are others


No sir, M16 does not have primary extraction.

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[Hotolds442]

Lmao.

[Forever draggin]

M16 does not have primary extraction. U all can think what u wish, but if u pay attention the bolt does not rotate until after unlocked nuff said

[sharpshooter]

Well, did you know that "old McDonald" was a bad speller???;)

[bootsmcguire]

Well, did you know that "old McDonald" was a bad speller???;)

Cow

C-O-W-E-I-E-I-O

Dag-Nab-It.

[the Ranger]

M16 does not have primary extraction. U all can think what u wish, but if u pay attention the bolt does not rotate until after unlocked nuff said

look at a picture of said Mauser and you will see that at the top rear of the receiver is a ramp machined in, (the back of the receiver is not flat, it has an angel on it) as you lift the bolt handle the root of the bolt contacts that ramp and causes said "primary extraction".

[cranebird]

look at a picture of said Mauser and you will see that at the top rear of the receiver is a ramp machined in, (the back of the receiver is not flat, it has an angel on it) as you lift the bolt handle the root of the bolt contacts that ramp and causes said "primary extraction".

I'm sorry Ranger,That was my bad for submitting the bolt action M16 Mauser rifle into the equation. Paul and Wilhelm Mauser knew that the bolt action rifle needed an primary extractor to work properly when they began building rifles way back in 1891 but Forever draggin is not comparing bolt action rifles to bolt action rifles. He is trying to compare a gas operated semi auto for the solution as to why his Savage Axis does not need a primary extractor that it was originally designed with. I'm sure there are people already altering the original Axis bolt handle by cutting, drilling, tapping and turning a longer handle on a lathe to install on the original Axis bolt handle frame as a solution for a properly working Axis bolt primary extraction system. I know this because I found it on the internet while searching last night and eventually I will send my bolt handle in to have it done.

[Elgin]

…… I'm sure there are people already altering the original Axis bolt handle by cutting, drilling, tapping and turning a longer handle on a lathe to install on the original Axis bolt handle frame as a solution for a properly working Axis bolt primary extraction system. I know this because I found it on the internet while searching last night and eventually I will send my bolt handle in to have it done.

Yep, it's actually fairly easy. I used a Dremel and file to cut and shape, and then a die to thread it. Others have used a grinder. There are also smiths that will do it.

Check it out: http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?32027-quot-Tactical-quot-bolt-knob

[cranebird]

Yep, it's actually fairly easy. I used a Dremel and file to cut and shape, and then a die to thread it. Others have used a grinder. There are also smiths that will do it.

Check it out: http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?32027-quot-Tactical-quot-bolt-knob

I just ordered a extra Axis bolt handle so I'll be messing this one up or maybe it will come out alright.I wish I had the part number for the stainless handle but couldn't find it. It was $11 for the matte black axis handle, part #107922. I am fortunate to have the equipment available at work to mess around with it. I haven't messed with knurling stuff on the lathe which is what I'm wanting for the new handle conversion.

[Elgin]

Part number for the right hand stainless steel Axis handle is 108556. They are $14.

Good luck!

[cranebird]

Well I turned down a handle on my lunch break today. It came out half way decent but I was running out of time since I only have 1/2 hr for lunch so to finish it today,I tig welded a 1/4-20 set screw on it where I cut the football knob off and being quick and easy, it won't win a beauty contest or anything. I really like the function of cycling the bolt now, quite a bit nicer than the short handle. I was running the lasers today so I didn't have time to really build it right after messing around with turning the handle down, it ate into more time than I wanted to spend but the Knurling came out good. Usually I know just enough to get myself in a mess but overall it was a good 1/2 hr spent. http://s20.postimg.org/qr52kxf8t/DSCN2015.jpghttp://s20.postimg.org/n8t2oject/DSCN2019.jpg

If I find I quit liking it ,I can rebuild it, shorten it or build something entirely different.This summer I'll take it back in and powdercoat it matte black.

[cranebird]

http://s20.postimg.org/m37ws30j1/DSCN2030.jpgWell I revamped the handle a bit. http://s20.postimg.org/i5kn2odpp/DSCN2029.jpg