Light Weight Hunter weights

[Savage6x284]

My advice is to save the money on the fluting of the barrel and the bolt since it saves so little weight.
Put the money saved into the EDGE stock and a good full length barrel.
My LONG action rifle with a top quality 24" tube and the wonderful steel S&K's weighs 7# 3.3 ounces. All with a 6mm bore.

I get the magazine latitude to seat whatever bullet as long as I want it and the ballistic advantage (and the more forward weight distribution) provided by a 24" tube and the strength and looks of the S&K's.

No plastic on my rifle (unless you consider an EDGE stock to be plastic, some do) and the only aluminum is my TG and my magazine follower.

Either way I'm just happy to see more people realizing the virtues of lightweight rifles and spending their time and money to build one.
I hope it becomes a trend among Savage aficionados.
It's easy to build a heavy rifles but building light ones takes some effort and, let's face it, some money.

I am impressed with your rifle though Brasse, you did a great job on it.

[Savage6x284]

I hear there are some lighter aftermarket options, but I have not looked into them yet.



The only stocks I know of significantly lighter than a Hunter's EDGE are some of the offerings from Lone Wolf (now Proof Research). If you think an EDGE is pricey then the cost of a Lone Wolf will stagger you. Especially since they require you to ship them the BA for fitting in their factory.
18 ounces is incredibly light however.
There may be some MPI stocks in the 18-20 ounce range too but my experience is that the quality of the McMillan EDGE is better than that of the MPI.

[Sundodger]

Thanks guys.

Yeah, no doubt getting numbers off the internet can be risky, that's why its good to hear from you guys who have actually done it.

But on the stock, I actually measured the factory Tupperware stock off my blind mag 110 at 35oz and that should be the same one that's on the bind mag weather warrior. According to McMillan the style I am looking at in edge fill is 22-24, and since I need a longer LOP I am betting it will be on the top end of that. So unless I am missing something I should save 11oz there.

Yeah the machining would be expensive, but I will prob do most of it myself. Anything I don't feel comfortable I have a friend that's an amazing gunsmith and machinist that will take care of it for a six pack of beer.

[brasse]

Sundodger,
Are you starting with a short action or long action? You are looking at a 110 long action stock at 35 ounces, it does weigh more than the short action stock. Everything weighs more on the long action. Savage lists their LWH at 6 pounds when using a long action.

Still a great project, lots of photos when you get the stuff

[Sundodger]

Sundodger,
Are you starting with a short action or long action? You are looking at a 110 long action stock at 35 ounces, it does weigh more than the short action stock. Everything weighs more on the long action. Savage lists their LWH at 6 pounds when using a long action.

Still a great project, lots of photos when you get the stuff

I would like to build a short action, but the only blind mag factory plastic stock I have is for a 3006. Do you know the weight delta between the two stocks?

Thanks, and will do.

[tammons]

Nice Rig

You can get a short action Savage down to about 7# with an internal tupperware stock, light rings, weaver base and an UL scope like one of the Leupold Ultralight scopes and either a cut down or pencil barrel.

Here are some weighs.

ACTIONS

Short action with bolt egw base and machined lug with blind magazine and action screws - +- 36 oz
Long action flat back with bolt and EGW base, lug, with DBM box and mag - 39.5 oz

STOCKS

SA tupperware stock - 29 oz
SA duromax stock - 43 oz

LA DBM factory stock with complete magazine - 38 oz (Old Style Side button)
LA tupperware internal stock w some epoxy - 32 oz
LA duromax stock - 44 oz

BARRELS

19" 308 cut down sporter barrel and nut - 35.5 oz
EST 16" 308 cut down sporter bbl - 32 oz
24" 338 WM barre1 and nut - 51 oz
24" 358 wheln shaw bbl and nut - 58 oz
21" 458 wm barrel and nut - 48 oz
Cut 20" 358 whelen bbl and nut - 50 oz
Factory blued 22" 270 bbl - 41 oz ??
21" stainless 270 factory barrel and nut - 38 oz

SCOPES

2-7x VX-1 leupold scope - 11 oz
1-4x VX-2 - 9 oz
Nikon prostaff 4-12x mildot - 14 oz
Sightmark 1-6x - 20 oz
Leupold 3-9x Ultralight - 9 oz

Misc

Factory recoil lug - 1 oz
Machined recoil lug - 1.5 oz
Burris extreme med rings, 1/2" - 6 oz
Burris extreme med rings, 30mm w 1 tac top - 6.2 oz
Burris zee rings steel low - 3 oz

Lightweight 308 Build +-7#

20" 308 pencil barrel - 32 oz
Short action with bolt weaver base and machined lug with blind magazine and action screws - +- 34 oz
SA tupperware stock - 29 oz
3-9 VX-2 ultralight - 9 oz
Lt rings - 3 oz

[brasse]

My pic rail was 1.60 ounces and the Burris signature rings 4.1 ounces.

The Talley LW rings are 2.1 ounces for the low mount, figure 2.5 for the mid and 2.9 for the high rings.

[brasse]

Finally have the rifle 99% finished. Still need to bed the receiver, and change the bolt handle. Right now it weighs 6 pounds 15.5 ounces with scope and magazine, no bullets. Just added the 4.05 ounce Limbsaver pad. Recoil is low, half a 243.

I shot it today to zero in the Weaver 2-10x38 scope. Using Hornady 110 V-Max as they are easy to get. It used to shoot 0.5 to 0.75 groups at 100 yards when the barrel was 24 inches. Barrel now 18 inches, I shot 2 round groups each touching the other bullet, say 0.25 inch groups.

The target shown started at 25 yards, you can see the black dots where I moved the scope in to point of aim. Moved out to 100 yards, first 2 rounds touching high, adjusted and next two rounds also touching. I think that is good enough for a under 7 pound hunting rifle.

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/Targer1_10_14a_zps56ea6119.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/Targer1_10_14a_zps56ea6119.jpg.html)

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/Savage_scope7pounds2_zps2020c2ac.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/Savage_scope7pounds2_zps2020c2ac.jpg.html)

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Photo of the Sig Sauer at the Clark County shooting range. Shot Show next week!!!!
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[tammons]

Nice rifle.

[Sundodger]

Very nice man! Thanks for sharing the gun and all your data.

[brasse]

I actually would like to find a Savage blind magazine walnut stock for center feed magazine, with no Monte Carlo cheek piece and non glossy finish.

Would like to cut 2-3 inches off the fore arm and a full inch off the butt pad. Then hollow out the stock as much as possible to see if I could get it to less than 20 ounces.

I could try a Boyds laminated stock, but that wood is really hard to work on. But it might make a better light weight hunting stock.

[1.618]

Interesting thread. Thanks for posting. Best of luck with your rifle.

[brasse]

Sundodger,

Some nice person posted the part number for the LWH stock, STOCK RH SH DBM/HF OIL/WAX (11LWH) - PN: 108638
$284.00

That is a great starting point for a stainless barrel/action light weight rifle.

[brasse]

Ordered form eBay from BoltKnobs.Com a carbon fiber Savage bolt handle.

They mention the fit is tight and needs so work, just 2 minutes with a jewelers file and it fit perfect.

So complete bolt with standard stainless bolt handle was 12.45 ounces:
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/Bolt12.45oz_zpsld9f7xt2.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/Bolt12.45oz_zpsld9f7xt2.jpg.html)

Stainless bolt weighs 2.60 ounces:
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/StainlesBH2.60oz_zpsnuuxduq5.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/StainlesBH2.60oz_zpsnuuxduq5.jpg.html)

New Carbon Fiber bolt handle weighs 1.15 ounces:
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/CF%20BoltHandle1.15oz_zpsmm4gvmnq.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/CF%20BoltHandle1.15oz_zpsmm4gvmnq.jpg.html)

New weight of complete bolt assembly 11.00 ounces:
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/BoltwCFBolt11.00oz_zpsevfedoth.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/BoltwCFBolt11.00oz_zpsevfedoth.jpg.html)

[brasse]

There are a lot of titanium parts coming out for AR15's, my 16 inch barreled 6.8 SPC II is down to 3.5 pounds.

Does anyone know some one making Savage bolts and other parts in Titanium? Other than the bolt head almost all the other parts could be made from titanium.

[theicon2u]

Not sure how you got your numbers, each group was weighed three times, photo taken of each. Plastic DBM surround, trigger guard, magazine which has a plastic bottom and metal guts, and one screw. Same group in stainless was 11.25 ounces


http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/SSDBM1125oz_zps57791763.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/SSDBM1125oz_zps57791763.jpg.html)

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/PlasticDBM395oz_zps3993bd32.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/PlasticDBM395oz_zps3993bd32.jpg.html)
What serial number did those plastic parts come from? Id like to think about ordering some from Savage. Ive been looking at getting a light weight rifle and this thread is very helpful!

[brian697]

Very nice!!!