A question about Savage 10/110 vs Axis Actions ?

[wlleven]

I have a few Savages (Mod 10's and 11's) and love them, but was wondering about the AXIS. I have seen quite a few folks making long range target guns and varmint guns out of the Axis action.

Questions !

1) Is the action as stiff as a Savage? I don't know, it may be stiffer ?
2) Does it use the same barrel nut as a Savage ?
3) Will Savage after market barrels fit a Axis ?
4) Can the trigger be as finely set as a Savage, can a used Accu-Trigger be installed ?
5) The action is one length, is there a built in stop for shorter cartridges or does the bolt go all the way back as a long action stroke ?
6) Is there any accuracy differences between the two actions ?

Just questions, in case I should fall on a deal ;- )


wll

[thomae]

Answers: (By the way, the Axis is a Savage. :cool:)

1) Is the action as stiff as a Savage? I don't know, it may be stiffer ?

I could hazard a guess that it is stiffer due to the solid top and side, but in real life, for me it does not make a discernible difference.

2) Does it use the same barrel nut as a Savage ?

Yes. Small shank barrel nuts will fit the Axis.

3) Will Savage after market barrels fit a Axis ?

Savage Small shank barrels will fit nicely.

4) Can the trigger be as finely set as a Savage, can a used Accu-Trigger be installed ?

The trigger can be worked on and I have set mine to be as good (IMHO) as the non-accutrigger savage trigger. It will not be the equal the older three-screw trigger nor the accutrigger.
With some slight modification, an accutrigger can be installed in an Axis. Check (http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?18164-Savage-FAQ-s-amp-Gunsmithing-Article-Links)here (http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?18164-Savage-FAQ-s-amp-Gunsmithing-Article-Links) for more information (http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?18164-Savage-FAQ-s-amp-Gunsmithing-Article-Links).

5) The action is one length, is there a built in stop for shorter cartridges or does the bolt go all the way back as a long action stroke ?

On my .223 Axis, the bolt goes all the way back. I would guess that an extended front baffle could be used to limit rearward bolt travel, but this is supposition, not fact, as I have not tried it.

6) Is there any accuracy differences between the two actions ?

I do not know if there is an inherent accuracy difference, but if there is, in real life, for me it does not make a discernible difference.

[wlleven]

Answers: (By the way, the Axis is a Savage. :cool:)

1) Is the action as stiff as a Savage? I don't know, it may be stiffer ?

I could hazard a guess that it is stiffer due to the solid top and side, but in real life, for me it does not make a discernible difference.

2) Does it use the same barrel nut as a Savage ?

Yes. Small shank barrel nuts will fit the Axis.

3) Will Savage after market barrels fit a Axis ?

Savage Small shank barrels will fit nicely.

4) Can the trigger be as finely set as a Savage, can a used Accu-Trigger be installed ?

The trigger can be worked on and I have set mine to be as good (IMHO) as the non-accutrigger savage trigger. It will not be the equal the older three-screw trigger nor the accutrigger.
With some slight modification, an accutrigger can be installed in an Axis. Check (http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?18164-Savage-FAQ-s-amp-Gunsmithing-Article-Links)here (http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?18164-Savage-FAQ-s-amp-Gunsmithing-Article-Links) for more information (http://www.savageshooters.com/showthread.php?18164-Savage-FAQ-s-amp-Gunsmithing-Article-Links).

5) The action is one length, is there a built in stop for shorter cartridges or does the bolt go all the way back as a long action stroke ?

On my .223 Axis, the bolt goes all the way back. I would guess that an extended front baffle could be used to limit rearward bolt travel, but this is supposition, not fact, as I have not tried it.

6) Is there any accuracy differences between the two actions ?

I do not know if there is an inherent accuracy difference, but if there is, in real life, for me it does not make a discernible difference.

Thank you for your reply.

PS: I did not know if this thread was to be in a Savage or Axis, thank you for moving it as it pertains more to the Axis line than the Savage line.


wll

[LoneWolf]

Further info on question 5:

The Axis has an adjustable baffle on the bolt. This changes the stroke between the long and short action cartridges.

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[pisgah]

Further info on question 5:

The Axis has an adjustable baffle on the bolt. This changes the stroke between the long and short action cartridges.

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But, not much. The baffle on my .223 is less than 1/4" longer than the one on my .270. Not much of a bolt-throw reduction, but I don't mind the long bolt travel.

[stangfish]

A question that was not asked was about the recoil lugs. Many guys building long range rigs are beginning to remove material off of the face of the action and using a standard Savage/Remington type recoil lug.

[LoneWolf]

A question that was not asked was about the recoil lugs. Many guys building long range rigs are beginning to remove material off of the face of the action and using a standard Savage/Remington type recoil lug.

I've been running the standard Axis recoil lug without issue on my 308 build. I permanently bedded it with Devcon into the ProTac Stock, so that it is not much of a factor anymore. I am maintaining consistent sub half MOA accuracy and with 175gr SMK's put an 8 for 8 shot group at 890yds on a 17in diamond plate. I would be interested to see if the cost of doing the T&T to remove the material and use a standard lug would be that much more beneficial!