Wideview scope mounts on 110

[William]

Does anyone have experience with with Wideview see-thru scope mounts on a 110?
It would be nice to be able to use the open sights and a scope.
http://www.wideviewscopemount.com/home.html

[William]

I ordered the WSM-IB (Savage110/25mm scope tube) set from Amazon for $15.47 and an inexpensive scope. I would rather have a 30mm tubed scope so I contacted Wideview Scope Mount and asked about 30mm rings. This is part of the email they sent to me.

"We have two 30mm mounts both need bases. We have bases for the Savage 110
non-accutrigger. You can get on the website and look at the 30mm mounts. One
is a set of rings..SR30 the other is a see-thru model U20-30. We don't have
the 30mm with bases offered on the website so you would have to call in to
order.
...
Feel free to call.
605-341-3220 we are closed on Fridays.
Best regards,
Bonni"


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HQPYO2/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
http://www.wideviewscopemount.com/home.html

[thomae]

Bottom line up front:
I have not used see through mounts on a Savage.
However, I have purchased other used rifles with see through mounts and after trying them I did not particularly care for them. For me, at least, they provided no added benefit.

Discussion:

Is your 110 a round back action or a flat back action?

I followed your links to the product listing.
The photo of the mount on the manufacturers website shows two mounts that are rounded at the bottom. There is a warning that "THIS MOUNT IS NOT FOR THE ACCUTRIGGER."

Since the presence or lack of an Accutrigger does not determine what mount to use, this leads me to believe that the manufacturer thinks that non-Accutriggers actions are all flat back actions, and the mounts may be for flat back, not round back actions. In other words, the photo may not be correct.
(This is supposition on my part and obviously, I could be mistaken.) I would call them to confirm.

Some people do not like receiver-mounted scope rings (as opposed to picatinny rail-mounted rings) because, especially with shorter scopes, they do not offer the flexibility to allow the scope to be positioned to the ideal position (proper eye relief and good, consistent cheek weld at the same time).

See-through scopes also inherently make it very hard for me to get a good cheek weld and consistent shots.

For shooting through the see-through portion of the mounts using the iron sights, I need a low cheek weld to get my eye positioned correctly to use the sights.
Then, if I wish to use the scope, I must raise my head considerably because the scope is mounted extremely high.
If the stock is designed for the lower, iron sight, cheek weld, it becomes very difficult for me to get (consistently and repeatably) the higher head position/cheek weld needed to use the higher scope.


I would also ask the rhetorical question as to why you need both Iron sights and a scope. You did not mention your intended purpose for your rifle.

If I were not comfortable using (or didn't trust) my iron sights, I would use a scope mounted about as low as I could get it.
If I didn't trust my scope, I would either remove it and use iron sights, or else I would invest in a better scope/mounting system that would work for me well enough that I could "trust" it and shoot with confidence.

If you do use these rings, make sure you align and lap the rings prior to installing your scope so you don't damage your scope.

That's my opinion. Yours may be different and that's OK.

[RP12]

I have two words for see-through mounts, gim-mick, LOL.

[William]

My 110 has flat back action. I'm pretty sure the set I ordered will fit. The set was cheap so if it doesn't work out, no big deal.
It's easy for me, as it should be, to get a good cheek weld while looking through the iron sights. I imagine that the see through mounts would not effect that.
I like the idea of having a scope mount that attaches directly to the receiver, not to a rail or block.
These mounts are angled and reversible so they can either both point forward or backwards or a combination. This might help allow the scope to be mounted for the proper eye relief.
The good question is, will I be able to have a good cheek weld while looking through the scope? Also, will the scope interfere with the view of the iron site? I guess I will find out. If I can't get a good cheek weld, I might modify or replace the stock.
The reason why I would like to have a scope mounted on my rifle AND be able to use the iron sights is this.
Bears can pop out of the bushes within yards of you or can be spotted hundreds of yards away.
While I may not shoot at a bear from over a hundred yards, I sure might shoot a caribou from a good distance.
I have these mounts on my Mark II and I like them. Shooting a .22 is a bit different than a 30-06 so. I might not like it on my 110.
I plan on posting results.

[thomae]

I plan on posting results.Looking forward to that.

[William]

I finally got my Wideview scope mount rings. As you can see from the photos, the rings can be mounted four different ways. My scope would only fit with the mounts angled towards each other because the tube only has 6 1/4 inches to work with. If there were 6 1/2 inches between bells, I could mount the scope a bit more forward or rearward. It's just fine where it is now though.
It is quite easy to look under the scope to see the iron sights. As far as a cheek weld goes while looking through the scope, it's more of a jaw weld. I haven't shot it yet but it seems to be comfortable enough.
This puts the center of the scope at about 2 1/4" above the bore. My Scope is a 3-12X40, I probably could have gotten away with 50mm.
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[JMGlasgow]

If you ever need to use the iron sights because of a scope failure, you should just take the scope off the rifle. Just my opinion.

[William]

If you ever need to use the iron sights because of a scope failure, you should just take the scope off the rifle. Just my opinion.
It's not about a scope failure. It's about being able to use both the scope, for longer distance shots, and the iron sights for closer or fast moving objects.

[stangfish]

AR guys use a similar concept with Co Witness or Lower 1/3rd in combination with a red dot and a flip away magnifier. If it floats your boat do it. A dangerous game hunt I might consider it but would probably go another route.