Why aren't short/super short magnum cartriges more popular?

[Freepistol]

I'll assume you meant 7 WSM, not WSSM. I think it will do what you need. SA won't affect speed. With a decent barrel, you can push the 180's to 2900-3000. IF you have to drop back, you can get the 162/168's up to 3100-3200 FPS. Pick your bullet of choice and run it through your ballistic program. I think you'll be surprised how much energy it carries with their INSANE BCs.

Actually, I meant the 7 WSSM. I like weird stuff.

[Tarheelpwr]

Actually, I meant the 7 WSSM. I like weird stuff.

10-4. Can't even comment then. I know nothing about that chamfering.

[Freepistol]

After more research I came to the conclusion that the 7 WSSM won't do what I want. It looks like capacity is about the same as the 7mm-08 and I want more. I think a case about a tenth of an inch shorter than the 7SAUM would do what I want, but it's not worth the trouble and expense to do it. I'll just have to get the SAUM and be happy.

[efm77]

I love my 300 WSM too but not any more than my 300 win mags. I mainly bought the 300 WSM for the rifle configuration and not so much the cartridge. But after shooting it, I'm liking it more and more. I don't handload yet, been saying for years I'm gonna get in to it but still haven't. All I've shot in it so far is Underwood Ammo and it is excellent. Either his loads are pretty hot or I have a really fast barrel. I've seen no signs of excessive pressure except the slightest ejector mark on the brass. 180 grain SST rated at 3050 fps. From my 26" barrel I'm getting 3150 fps! I expected up to maybe 50 more fps but not 100.

[Tim300wsm]

I love my 300 WSM too but not any more than my 300 win mags. I mainly bought the 300 WSM for the rifle configuration and not so much the cartridge. But after shooting it, I'm liking it more and more. I don't handload yet, been saying for years I'm gonna get in to it but still haven't. All I've shot in it so far is Underwood Ammo and it is excellent. Either his loads are pretty hot or I have a really fast barrel. I've seen no signs of excessive pressure except the slightest ejector mark on the brass. 180 grain SST rated at 3050 fps. From my 26" barrel I'm getting 3150 fps! I expected up to maybe 50 more fps but not 100.


I hope your brass its not cheap. if you shoot alot reloaing is really worth the cost of the equipment

[geargrinder]

I should have clarified I am refering to the WSSM calibers. With the 7wsm to 7mm mag or 300wsm to 300 win mag there is not as big a difference however the gain is still negligable.

I run the WSM's out of a long action. It lets me hang some heavy VLD's without running into mag length problems. That's a big advantage over the 7RM and 300win.

[FW Conch]

Freepistol, just curious, why is the 7RSAUM "not short enough"? Even with long bullets it should work well in a Savage short action? Thanks...Jim

[efm77]

"I hope your brass its not cheap. if you shoot alot reloaing is really worth the cost of the equipment "

I think you meant to say you hope I'm keeping my brass? If so, then yes I am. So far I don't shoot the expensive rounds enough to justify the cost of the equipment yet. That may change though. Also, I have a friend who has reloading equipment that says I can use it, so all I would have to guy are the proper dies and components. I'm saving all my brass to hopefully do that in the near future.

[Freepistol]

Freepistol, just curious, why is the 7RSAUM "not short enough"? Even with long bullets it should work well in a Savage short action? Thanks...Jim

Jim,
It's not the magazine length. I want to make a light rifle with a 20 or maybe a 21" barrel. The guys on Specialty Pistol have been getting good velocity out of 18-20" barrels using the 7SAUM, however, I think a shorter cartridge would do the same with less powder, muzzle blast, and recoil. I've been comparing velocity and powder weights of various rounds and there are 7mm loadings that'll get 2700fps with 5-11 grains less powder than the SAUM. With a capacity about 7 grains less, I would be happy. After many hours of flipping pages back and forth, I've come to the conclusion that the 7SAUM is the way to go and just have to decide on the contour and length. I'd like to have a short, stiff barrel, but don't want a big velocity concession. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor with a Shilen 24" heavy sporter and I think cutting a couple inches off that would make a great mountain weight barrel in the 7SAUM.

[Tarheelpwr]

Jim,
It's not the magazine length. I want to make a light rifle with a 20 or maybe a 21" barrel. The guys on Specialty Pistol have been getting good velocity out of 18-20" barrels using the 7SAUM, however, I think a shorter cartridge would do the same with less powder, muzzle blast, and recoil. I've been comparing velocity and powder weights of various rounds and there are 7mm loadings that'll get 2700fps with 5-11 grains less powder than the SAUM. With a capacity about 7 grains less, I would be happy. After many hours of flipping pages back and forth, I've come to the conclusion that the 7SAUM is the way to go and just have to decide on the contour and length. I'd like to have a short, stiff barrel, but don't want a big velocity concession. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor with a Shilen 24" heavy sporter and I think cutting a couple inches off that would make a great mountain weight barrel in the 7SAUM.

What kind of velocity were they getting with 20" bbls and what wt bullets?

[Freepistol]

From the thread:

I have the 7 SAUM and 7 WSM in the HS precision, 15" barrel.
both push the 140 gr Ballistic tip in the upper 2800 FPS range
my XP in a 284 Win will push same bullet just under 2800 fps ( 2770 avg)
I like the 140 gr BT for deer sized game , never had a deer walk away after being hit by one of them.

And:

I get 2975fps with 162gr AMax bullets. It is an 18" brux barrel on a savage target action. Whacked an antelope at 926 yards with it.