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J.Baker
10-17-2013, 10:22 AM
Here is a photo of the "bottom metal" of my .260 Trophy Hunter. Note that there is not "bottom metal" for the Magazine. It is solid plastic, molded into (as a part of) the whole stock.

Well, the link to my photobucket pic did not work... maybe MrFurious can fix it.

http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r781/2foxx2/260SavageTH_zpsc208cebe.jpg


So Trohpy Hunters = Axis-style magazine and molded in bottom metal/surround

jpdown
10-17-2013, 10:32 AM
Several of the newer Savage models I have purchased over the last year use the same plastic "bottom" DBM clip as the Savage Axis. These include the Savage 11/111 LWH (pictured), Savage 11/111 Hunter XP and Savage 11/111 Trophy Hunter XP. The frame that is bolted into the stock and holds the clip in the rifle is also plastic. Savage did not change the dimensions/layout of the stock DBM inletting,. So you can switch out the plastic frame and bottom cap and use a metal frame and bottom cap if you prefer. You can also switch out the plastic front release trigger gurard with a metal one as shown in the pictures below.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/jpdown/PICT0020_zps044e1fde.jpg (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/jpdown/media/PICT0020_zps044e1fde.jpg.html)

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/jpdown/PICT0021_zps1c45db1d.jpg (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/jpdown/media/PICT0021_zps1c45db1d.jpg.html)

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/jpdown/PICT0022_zps9ea4ff57.jpg (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/jpdown/media/PICT0022_zps9ea4ff57.jpg.html)

foxx
10-17-2013, 10:50 AM
Several of the newer Savage models I have purchased over the last year use the same plastic "bottom" DBM clip as the Savage Axis. These include the Savage 11/111 LWH (pictured), Savage 11/111 Hunter XP and Savage 11/111 Trophy Hunter XP. The frame that is bolted into the stock and holds the clip in the rifle is also plastic. Savage did not change the dimensions/layout of the stock DBM inletting,. So you can switch out the plastic frame and bottom cap and use a metal frame and bottom cap if you prefer. You can also switch out the plastic front release trigger gurard with a metal one. as shown in the pictures below.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/jpdown/PICT0020_zps044e1fde.jpg (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/jpdown/media/PICT0020_zps044e1fde.jpg.html)

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/jpdown/PICT0021_zps1c45db1d.jpg (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/jpdown/media/PICT0021_zps1c45db1d.jpg.html)

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/jpdown/PICT0022_zps9ea4ff57.jpg (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/jpdown/media/PICT0022_zps9ea4ff57.jpg.html)

Very interesting... Mine is clearly not like that. Mine is one solid piece, molded into the stock. I wish mine was like yours, that one allows you to replace the plastic "bottom metal" with true metal. Oh, well. It is what it is.

I have a Tacticool stock coming later this week and I will replace the stock, anyhow. I am also replacing the mag with a Single Feed Ramp. Ditch the mag altogether.

jpdown
10-17-2013, 10:54 AM
Wow, it looks like Savage has changed it up again and further discourage aftermarket stock manufactures. The plastic DBM frame used in 2012 and 2014 on the Trophy Hunter XP and I assume Hunter XP is now being molded into the tupperware stock and not a seperate part.

foxx
10-17-2013, 01:11 PM
Wow, it looks like Savage has changed it up again to discourage the aftemarket manufactures. The plastic frame on the Trophy Hunter is now molded into the stock and not a seperate part.

Yep. I don't know if Savage is trying to discourage after-market business, or just trying to offer a wide variety of options and prices. But in my case, I'd have been better-off buying a used action with bottom metal. (One was posted on here after I got my new TH , and sold today for $350). Before I am done, the only original parts I'll have left on mine will be the action anyhow. It certainly makes it harder to buy new from online dealers, because you don't really know what you're getting without actually holding it and inspecting it yourself.

Oh well. Live and learn.

J.Baker
10-17-2013, 02:32 PM
Several of the newer Savage models I have purchased over the last year use the same plastic "bottom" DBM clip as the Savage Axis. These include the Savage 11/111 LWH (pictured), Savage 11/111 Hunter XP and Savage 11/111 Trophy Hunter XP. The frame that is bolted into the stock and holds the clip in the rifle is also plastic. Savage did not change the dimensions/layout of the stock DBM inletting,. So you can switch out the plastic frame and bottom cap and use a metal frame and bottom cap if you prefer. You can also switch out the plastic front release trigger gurard with a metal one. as shown in the pictures below.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii276/jpdown/PICT0021_zps1c45db1d.jpg (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/jpdown/media/PICT0021_zps1c45db1d.jpg.html)

I have a feeling that this is what's going to become the standard for wood stocked guns and what Foxx has will be the standard for all synthetic stocked guns before too long and the metal bottom metal and original style DBM magazines currently being used on the Classic, Law Enforcement and Weather Warrior Series models will be a thing of the past. That's the direction they're headed at least and it simply doesn't make sense to keep making three different variations of the same thing.

DgTerrell
10-18-2013, 03:20 AM
Ugh I'm so confused, so I'll just put it bluntly. What parts do I need, if anything, to be able to get a boyds classic wooden stock on my left handed m11 trophy hunter xp? I would put the specs down for the Boyd stock, but the page has changed and it's saying all the stocks are sold out and no longer list the fittings for it. Here's the link http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/product.htm?pid=55391&cat=1219

here's a cruddy pic of the inside of my current stock, and the bottom is the same as foxx's pic below.

http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad18/theterrells/1e8f30ab82693453d4e5341330a3b2fc.jpg





http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r781/2foxx2/260SavageTH_zpsc208cebe.jpg
thanks

J.Baker
10-18-2013, 05:45 AM
If you want to keep using the Axis style magazine you would need the plastic bottom "metal"/surround like is shown in jpdown's pictures. The other option would be to go all metal and order the (metal) bottom metal/surround for a Model 14/114 or 10/110 FCP and the accompanying magazine that will have a metal cap on the bottom.

DgTerrell
10-18-2013, 09:46 AM
If you want to keep using the Axis style magazine you would need the plastic bottom "metal"/surround like is shown in jpdown's pictures. The other option would be to go all metal and order the (metal) bottom metal/surround for a Model 14/114 or 10/110 FCP and the accompanying magazine that will have a metal cap on the bottom.

Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me.

jpdown
10-18-2013, 10:10 AM
If you want to stick with your current plastic bottom (Axis style) clip, then you just need to order the plastic DBM frame that holds the clip in place. I would also order a metal trigger guard with front bolt release cut-out. You will only be able to order the plastic frame direct from Savage Arms Parts. I have never seen the plastic frame stocked by any site vendor.

If you want metal, call Jim at Northland Shooters Supply and tell him you need the metal frame and bottom cap for a Savage SA or LA centerfeed DBM stock. You do not need another magazine box and follower. Just squeeze the sides of your current DBM/clip and pop off the plastic bottom cap. Replace it with the metal bottom cap.

DgTerrell
10-18-2013, 11:12 AM
If you want to stick with your current plastic bottom (Axis style) clip, then you just need to order the plastic DBM frame that holds the clip in place. I would also order a metal trigger guard with front bolt release cut-out. You will only be able to order the plastic frame direct from Savage Arms Parts. I have never seen the plastic frame stocked by any site vendor.

If you want metal, call Jim at Northland Shooters Supply and tell him you need the metal frame and bottom cap for a Savage SA or LA centerfeed DBM stock. You do not need another magazine box and follower. Just squeeze the sides of your current DBM/clip and pop off the plastic bottom cap. Replace it with the metal bottom cap.

Ok, great. Sounds easy enough. I'll probably go the all metal route, just don't know if I'll buy a new metal magazine so I'll have a spare, or get a bottom cap for my current one. Probably see how much the cap is first. Thanks for the info

DgTerrell
10-18-2013, 03:08 PM
So it appears I don't pay attention to details. I could have swore I did't have a frame around my dbm, but I do. :suspicion: I have a new Trophy Hunter with serial starting with J, and according to the rifle dating thread, the serial # "J" prefix started in late July/early August 2013. Sorry for causing any confusion, but looks like jpdown had it right when he saying that the latest models from the past year have the frame.

foxx
10-18-2013, 04:10 PM
So it appears I don't pay attention to details. I could have swore I did't have a frame around my dbm, but I do. :suspicion: I have a new Trophy Hunter with serial starting with J, and according to the rifle dating thread, the serial # "J" prefix started in late July/early August 2013. Sorry for causing any confusion, but looks like jpdown had it right when he saying that the latest models from the past year have the frame.

Dang it all!!!!

The serial number on mine starts with a "J" and I did not get any kind of plastic or metal bottom metal around the frame of my TH! I guess in my case, "J"stands for, "You got Jaked." LOL

daniel brothers
10-18-2013, 09:32 PM
are there any updates to this

foxx
10-18-2013, 11:55 PM
are there any updates to this

As far as my experience and DgTerrell's tell us, some of the Trophy Hunters are made with inletting in bottom of stock to allow a plastic version of bottom mag surround metal and some to do not. If you look at the two photos you can see two versions. Before you buy, I'd suggest you inspect the stock to see how the one you might buy is designed. Unless you plan to modify it somehow, it does not really matter. If you want to replace the stock, you need to understand the differences. Or if you think you might want all "true metal" bottom metal someday, don't get one like mine, it won't take it. I don't really feel cheated, I just didn't get as nice a stock as I might have had the luck of the draw gone differently. Savage will build them the way they choose, we can buy what we choose. They never advertised it any differently.

That's how I see it, anyways.

J.Baker
10-22-2013, 09:21 AM
The very first Trophy Hunters with synthetic stocks had the plastic bottom metal/surround. However, given how Savage never stops looking for ways to save a few pennies and increase their profit margins, they realized they could mold that surround right into the stock the same as they do on the Axis stocks and save the money and hassle of having a separate piece for those models. Thus the molded-in stocks like foxx's were born and are now the standard.

DgTerrell
10-22-2013, 03:12 PM
The very first Trophy Hunters with synthetic stocks had the plastic bottom metal/surround. However, given how Savage never stops looking for ways to save a few pennies and increase their profit margins, they realized they could mold that surround right into the stock the same as they do on the Axis stocks and save the money and hassle of having a separate piece for those models. Thus the molded-in stocks like foxx's were born and are now the standard.

I thought about this too. My TH is a left handed model. So I thought maybe since they sell so many less in LH, they may have several left of that design and are still putting those on. Just what kind of popped in my head when foxx said his was different.

J.Baker
10-22-2013, 03:50 PM
That's possible, but it's more likely that yours just sat in the distributors warehouse a lot longer due to it's being a LH model. Savage doesn't build a gun unless they already have an order for it from a distributor. The only warehousing they do is of parts and pallets of freshly built guns waiting on the remainder of the order to be built before they're shipped out. That waiting area in the factory is about the size of an average high school gymnasium.

DgTerrell
10-22-2013, 04:04 PM
Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me.

sales@boydsgunstocks
10-23-2013, 10:21 AM
Good morning, DgTerrell!

The tech specs now are available if you revisit that link. Also, in order to offer you more help, we would need to know whether yours has a center-feed, stagger-feed or detachable mag.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance!

Thanks!
Wendy