Savage stock for 4.4 DBM with top bolt release

[brasse]

I have a Savage walnut stock for 4.4 DBM with top bolt release. I would like to use it with my 4.27 blind magazine model 16 receiver. Photos show my receiver with my 6.8 SPC barrel I just received from spook1. (Thanks).

How can I use a DBM with this stock and receiver?????

Photo below shows the stock without the DBM frame. I have a spare plastic frame and a stainless metal frame coming.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/SavageStockToprelease44DBM_zps929e0292.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/SavageStockToprelease44DBM_zps929e0292.jpg.html)

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http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/SavageStockTopreleaseTop_zps113ea135.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/SavageStockTopreleaseTop_zps113ea135.jpg.html)

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[stangfish]

What I am about to tell you will probably be unpopular but If it is your desire to use the bottom metal (not to mention the stock) of a 4.4 action space. You need to fill the 4.27 screw hole and redrill and tap for the correct spacing. That is what I would do anyway. The only other solution is the old Wyatt/SSS bottom metal and mags. They did not come in SS and are next to impossible to find...unless your me and have one with both 10rd and 5 round mags.

The former could be done by taking a stainless screw and red threadlock it in flush on the id and using a transfer punch mark the action with the rear screw snug. The drilling and taping needs to be done in a machine that would allow you to get the action set up properly. It could be done in a drill press but you need to know what your doing.

I just remembered that CDI makes a staggerfeed version and you may just be able to drill or elongate the front hole. Maybe someone else will chime in with more better experience with cdi.

[jpdown]

I would fill the front stock hole with epoxy. Then re-drill the front stock hole for the SF action spacing (4.27"). With the DBM frame you will need to make the front hole oblong ito make it work with a SF action. The back of the DBM frame will fit under the trigger guard and raise the front of the trigger guard back up flush with the bottom of the stock.

I beleive once you revceive the CF DBM frame and put it into place, you will better understand what to do. I have retrofitted several SF stocks to CF stocks, but never gone from CF to SF. You will find the two stock holes will overlap since you are only moving the hole spacing back 0.13" from the 4.40" CF spacing.

[stangfish]

JP, What would you do for a mag release since your suggestion would eliminate that for the screw hole.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/MAX100/SAV10AS-4.jpg

[sharpshooter]

Simple solution....get the right receiver. Otherwise you'll have a cobbled up mess.

[brasse]

stangfish, I have two recievers and two barrels. One barrel, the Douglas 24 inch 6.8 SPC is here, the Black Hole Weaponary 20 inch SPC II should be here this year, sometime I hope.

The receiver shown is the 4.27 receiver, I have another in 4.40 bottom bolt release also stainless. I have a Savage walnut factory stock with Monte Carlo cheek piece for 4.40 and bottom DBM, so that one is easy.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/SavageMC_zpscad1c332.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/SavageMC_zpscad1c332.jpg.html)

The reason I was looking at the 4.27 receiver in the rare top bolt release - bottom DBM stock is I would like to try a Savage center-feed 308 magazine to load the 6.8 SPC rounds. The 308 with a shim in the rear would allow loading longer 6.8 ammo, say 2.4 inches. The center feed magazine with the lips pushed together some looks like the best way of getting reliable feeding.

The staggered feed in 223 and 308 both have the lips too far apart and people have not had any reliability with them.

[BoilerUP]

Get a CDI Precision 4.27" DBM...or sell/trade your action for a centerfeed model.

[brasse]

I have been thinking, I could use a much shorter front receiver screw so that it would rest and bear up on either the wood or epoxy after re-drilling the stock to 4.27 inches. Then the DBM frame either in plastic or stainless would rely primarily on the rear screw for holding. Might be able to find a way to also screw in the front of the frame, maybe with a wood screw.

What about the ACME Universal DBM Conversion, universal kit with an eccentric washer/insert? Any photos???

[stangfish]

Sharpshooter is right.
However, some folks have the money and or access to tooling or discounted items that make it easy to do what they want with toys. I am one of those that will do things as best as I can as long as it is done where things will function properly. After spending the last five years in and out of a hospital, a disabled wife with no income and supporting my daughter through college with zero financial help for the last 4 years, I have to do things on the cheap.

Is the SS top bolt release rare?
I have the acme as well. You still need to address the hole issue. The old SSS is the one I have with the reversable spacer. I like it, they just are not available anymore.

[brasse]

Talking about Savages with a top (side) bolt release and a 4.4 bottom magazine. Must have been a short transition model until they went with the bottom bolt release and 4.4 bottom magazine.

I agree, there are many ways to do things, not always the stock way.

The CDI is VERY expensive, and doesn't look right with a walnut factory stock.

[jpdown]

JP, What would you do for a mag release since your suggestion would eliminate that for the screw hole.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii299/MAX100/SAV10AS-4.jpg

I took another look at both the old metal DBM frame and the newer plastic DBM frame. I stand corrected. Neither is going to work with a SF action. There is not enough room not to get into the latch area. As sharpshooter said, it will look like a "cobbled up mess".

[brasse]

Not sure what you mean, I had the plastic DBM frame fitted to this stock several times. Just with the old style stainless trigger guard I can't attached it at the same time.

If I remember correct the trigger area would have to be enlarged slightly to use the bottom bolt release trigger on this stock. Since I don't want to use a bottom release I didn't enlarge that area.

[brasse]

I like challenges, although I have a backup plan that actually was the original plan. I just always wanted a nice walnut stock, and when first looking the savage stocks were EXPENSIVE. Then someone posted the Numrich link to Savage stocks under $100!

I have a Boyd's Thumbhole Red/Black laminate in 4.27 blind magazine. I ordered the parts from Savage that allow fitting a center-feed magazine shell to a blind magazine. Have a couple of spare 6.5/308 DBM magazines that can donate the shell. Will use a spacer in the back of the magazine similar to the 223 magazine, need to get on that. Thought of using Teflon, but plastic or even wood will work. Then will use a 6.8 follower and the 223 spring.

Photos below is the Douglas 6.8 SPC barrel on the Boyds stock.

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/BoydsDouglas_zpsa625183b.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/BoydsDouglas_zpsa625183b.jpg.html)

http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff464/brasse/BoydsDouglas3_zps1efa90bb.jpg (http://s1237.photobucket.com/user/brasse/media/BoydsDouglas3_zps1efa90bb.jpg.html)

[stangfish]

If your looking for a walnut stock I may buy that maple one from you.









Mods...just joking!!!

[BoilerUP]

Talking about Savages with a top (side) bolt release and a 4.4 bottom magazine. Must have been a short transition model until they went with the bottom bolt release and 4.4 bottom magazine.

11FC package guns (among others) were made for a while with the top bolt release and a DBM before Savage more recently switched to a bottom bolt release DBM setup.

Savage still makes top release rifles (11 Hog Hunter, Stevens 200 as a couple examples) but with blind magazines...though there is nothing that prevents somebody from putting those actions in a stock with a factory DBM setup.

[brasse]

I assume the new Hog Hunter and Stevens 200 use 4.4 actions then???

[BoilerUP]

I assume the new Hog Hunter and Stevens 200 use 4.4 actions then???

Yes...Savage hasn't made staggerfeed actions for a number of years.