.223 or .22-250

[Jamie]

At the 300 yard limit you stated you would be most of your shooting, B.C. and heavy bullets do not mean a thing, especially at the velocity a .22-250 will spit bullets. Everyone seems to think you need a 28" or 30" fast twist barrel and shoot the heaviest bullet available if going past 100 yards, it's just not true. Run the numbers on a .223 Rem with a 75 grain Amax or 90 grain Berger against a .22-250 with a 55 grain at 300 yards.

[wbm]

ID like to load 55g bullets for both rifles 22-250 1:12 twist and 223 1:9 twist and use Varget. I just wanted to ask all of your opinions on that. :) Guns will be used mostly for PD, and coyotes. Thanks

Joe

Been shooting the 68gr Hornady match bullet in a Savage 1-12 twist. Sent you a PM.

[Willoughby]

I don't believe a smaller case will shoot a bigger bullet better
I just don't ever remember seeing a 22.250 in a fast enough twist to shoot heavies
while a 7-8-9 twist is not un common in 223 it is usually the slower twist that I see in 22.250
but Im sure you could have one built with any twist you want
all I was trying to do is tell the op my reasons for choosing one over the other

I know many here like more powder weight than bullet weight -that's fine -but its not for me -
I still like the 223 over the 22.250 cheap -readily available brass-less powder- similar ballistics-
where I hunt -coyote's cant tell the difference
sorry to have ruffled so many feathers buy my ( lack of knowledge )
due to my obvious inexperience- I will refrain from posting- & just read the posts from all the experts here and try to learn

[wbm]

sorry to have ruffled so many feathers

No worries! Don't think you did....just different outlooks on different calibers.


I will refrain from posting

Not a good idea.

[Alleycat]

I don't believe a smaller case will shoot a bigger bullet better
I just don't ever remember seeing a 22.250 in a fast enough twist to shoot heavies
while a 7-8-9 twist is not un common in 223 it is usually the slower twist that I see in 22.250
but Im sure you could have one built with any twist you want
all I was trying to do is tell the op my reasons for choosing one over the other

I know many here like more powder weight than bullet weight -that's fine -but its not for me -
I still like the 223 over the 22.250 cheap -readily available brass-less powder- similar ballistics-
where I hunt -coyote's cant tell the difference
sorry to have ruffled so many feathers buy my ( lack of knowledge )
due to my obvious inexperience- I will refrain from posting- & just read the posts from all the experts here and try to learn

I for one enjoyed reading all of this even though it was info overload and a little (lot!) beyond me at times!!!

Thanks
A

[Westcliffe01]

A 22-250 shooting a 55gr Vmax at 3700fps with a 10mph direct crosswind is going to have 8.8" of wind deflection at 300 yards. energy 797ftlb remaining.

My 243 Win shooting a 95gr VLD at 3200fps will only have a 4.9" wind deflection at 300 yards. energy 1478ftlb at 300 yards

Going to the 105gr VLD at 3000fps, it has 4.7" of wind deflection and 1485 Ftlb of energy.

So at such a short distance there is no benefit to the 105 over the 95gr bullet but a not insignificant difference over the 55 to 95gr bullet.

How often does the wind blow 10-15mph ? Pretty often where I live, particularly in the winter.

[bootsmcguire]

I don't believe a smaller case will shoot a bigger bullet better
I just don't ever remember seeing a 22.250 in a fast enough twist to shoot heavies
while a 7-8-9 twist is not un common in 223 it is usually the slower twist that I see in 22.250
but Im sure you could have one built with any twist you want
all I was trying to do is tell the op my reasons for choosing one over the other

I know many here like more powder weight than bullet weight -that's fine -but its not for me -
I still like the 223 over the 22.250 cheap -readily available brass-less powder- similar ballistics-
where I hunt -coyote's cant tell the difference
sorry to have ruffled so many feathers buy my ( lack of knowledge )
due to my obvious inexperience- I will refrain from posting- & just read the posts from all the experts here and try to learn

Hey man, like I said in earlier post, no malice towards you or anyone else, and my feathers weren't ruffled. I just wanted to make sure info was correct for all the other members of all experience levels. I now totally understand your position and I am sorry if it seemed like I was targeting you or anything like that. The 223 shooting a 80 or 90gr can be an effective combination. I think your wording probably got me started down the wrong path of understanding what you meant.

Threads like this often open windows of thought and perspective to all those who participated and read the thread, and anytime you get people thinking, (as Martha Stuart says) "is a good thing". No worries, and by all means post and share and contribute and again my apologies if I seemed to get riled up, the written word is difficult to convey tone properly, I was just having a friendly discussion.

PS- Savage has offered a few models with 22-250 barrels in a 1-9" twist from the factory (I have one) and those seem to be capable of stabilizing the 75's, some people I have heard got the 80 A-Max to stabilize, but I believe those a rare circumstances.

[wbm]

So at such a short distance there is no benefit to the 105 over the 95gr bullet.

That is exactly why I started shooting the 95gr Sierra Match instead of the 105's.

[Westcliffe01]

If I need to go shooting in the Western states where 500-700 yard shots are more common, I want to be ready. Therefore I am anyway developing my 105gr loads. I just understand that there is no need for them at 300 yards. I need a different zero and dope for the rifle anyway. But in my situation, the 105gr load is basically the limit of my system so I need to have it covered. Theoretically I could probably go down to 80gr also, but I doubt I will see anything but less recoil compared to the 95. Next time around, when I get the barrel made, I will have it custom throated for 95gr and up so that I can load longer. Those are some long pointy bullets for sure.
http://accurateshooter.net/pix/6mmlinex600.jpg

[langenc]

The coyote I shot at 65 yrds had one hole in it-6 mm in and none out. Was using 80 gr Rem Corelokts. Had shot a doe 5 min before. The coyote was trailing the deer, w/ 2 fawns.

Im 3/3 at my sons w/ the 80 grers-2 deer-1 coyote.

[Westcliffe01]

The upper of the 2 in this picture did not have an exit wound either... But then he took the bullet to the base of the tail and it had a path of about 2 ft before it would have reached the skin in front. Neither took a step further. The 243 is not particularly fur friendly, but around here there is no market anyway.

http://www.fotoshack.us/fotos/176202013%20coyote%20double-1red.jpg

[handirifle]

The coyote I shot at 65 yrds had one hole in it-6 mm in and none out. Was using 80 gr Rem Corelokts. Had shot a doe 5 min before. The coyote was trailing the deer, w/ 2 fawns.

Im 3/3 at my sons w/ the 80 grers-2 deer-1 coyote.

Not sure of your game laws, but here and anywhere else I have hunted shooting a doe with fawns is strictly a no-no. Hopefully they were weaned.

[handirifle]

(after thinking about it a bit) Or maybe I missread your post. Did you shoot a doe and then ANOTHER doe followed that had 2 fawns with her? If so I apologize for the first post.

[handirifle]

For the OP, my vote also goes 243 for yotes. DRT is the norm, and will let ya know after this season how the deer react.