Anyone tried the new CFE 223 POWDER

[acemisser]

Just wondering if anyone has tried this
and if so,how did you like it.
Did it clean out the fouling like it is claimed
to do? How was the accuracy,etc.?

[scope eye]

I have tried it, It's a good substitute for Varget just a tad slower the only reason I bought it was, it's they only powder they had in that burn range, it did not foul it did not un foul, it meters great and burns cooler than Varget i'll give it that, it shot good but did not see any grouping size difference either way, I am glad I tried it but have since have found some Varget, and put the CFE 223 back on the shelf, it's hard to change your ways when you are an old curmudgeon. LOL

Tanks Dean

[acemisser]

I have tried it, It's a good substitute for Varget just a tad slower the only reason I bought it was, it's they only powder they had in that burn range, it did not foul it did not un foul, it meters great and burns cooler than Varget i'll give it that, it shot good but did not see any grouping size difference either way, I am glad I tried it but have since have found some Varget, and put the CFE 223 back on the shelf, it's hard to change your ways when you are an old curmudgeon. LOL

Tanks Dean

Dean-Thanks for the reply..I haven't even seen it on the shelf anywhere,yet....I read a report about it and just
wondered if it did what they,the writers said it would do..Myself,in my 6br with sierra 107 gr bullets,have found
the reloader 15 better than the varget...Well,anyway Dean,thanks for the information...John

[thermaler]

4064, Varget and RL 15 are my first-string line-up for most loads that will take them--but if someone posts a nice 1-hole grouping pic using something else I'm willing to try anything. : )

[Frank V]

I have tried it in the .204. I'm getting groups of 11/16" groups using the starting load Hodgdon's recomends, 32gr Sierra, ww cases, & CCI400 primers in a Savage 12FV.
I didn't get any copper fouling out of the bbl after 100 shots, just normal carbon type fouling.
I'm new to the .204 so I'm just getting started with loading for it.
I'd buy another pound when it comes available.

[seanhagerty]

i Worked up a load for my ar (223) with it using 69SMK's and Rem SR Benchrest primers. I cant say a whole lot about its copper removal/deterence properties. (I dont clean my rifles often enough apparently, because I havent cleaned my barrel since I started this work up.)

I found 25.3gr with the SMK seated .005 to .010 off the lands does it for me.

I did notice that the brass is not as hot as varget makes them. I cant really pick up the brass with varget, but with cfe, I can grab them right away. I am assuming this will be less troublesome on throat wear. I have no data to support this, yet.

[bruced188]

what size groups are you getting with the cfe223 and the 69gr smk's?

[scope eye]

I shot some yesterday at a buddies farm, at about 1000 feet between those big round bails of hey to block the wind, at a 8"x 8" 1/2" steel plate, I shot about 21 shots and they all hit the center portion of the plate, a lot of the hits were overlapping so I cant say what my grouping was, but what surprised me was "no fliers" I shot three sessions of seven shots, which is two more per session than I can get with tried and true Varget, with out the barrel getting to hot for my liking, my load for my 243 cal was 50gr of CFE223 with a 58gr Vmax to hold the powder in, combined with my 12 twist 26" McGowen yielded over 4300 FPS, I am very happy with the results and I am going to experiment in all my short action calibers, my 260AI is next on the list.

Tanks Dean

[seanhagerty]

what size groups are you getting with the cfe223 and the 69gr smk's?

The only groups that I can find are during OCW load development. I was shooting three shot groups at 100yds that were less than 0.4". I have shot 5 shot groups, but am unable to find any targets. I have been very impressed with this powder bullet combo.

The load I have listed is giving me a little bit less than 2700 FPS. I think there is a higher charge weight accuracy node. I havent worked it up yet, but will this summer as temps get a bit warmer.

Sean

[bigfishbilly]

Have used CFE 223 in my 222 Rem. Getting half inch groups when I do my part.

[blt65]

I saw a pound at Cal Ranch and grabbed it just for the heck of seeing what all the hype was about. I loaded up some 123 grain Nosler CC in my 6.5 Creedmoor and shot .75 inch groups at 100 yards without any work up at all. It does shoot and is a good powder but like everone else I didn't see what all they hype is about. I would use it more but didn't see any reason to run out and buy a couple of kegs when I already have enough other powders to use with my 123 grain loads. I couldn't find any load data for the 140 grain bullets and its probably too fast for that weight of bullet.

[Ozzy]

My brother got his hands on some a few months ago to try out of my 700 308, i printed 2 groups at quarter moa(center to center) although with called flyers in each that opened them up to approx .75 . Didnt have my chrony set up and didnt shoot enough to notice any difference in fouling. i finally just got my hands on 2 more lbs and loaded up 3 different charges to try with 168gr vlds but had pretty bad results, im thinking that the test loads my bro loaded up for me may have been pushing Amax's not bergers as i originally thought. thats what happens when i dont keep track of my handload notes though.

[infowlpursuit]

Traded some primers for a pound. Started working up loads this weekend for my AR in 223 with 50 gr. Varmint Grenades. Loaded to magazine length, best results came with 27.5 grs. running at 3310 fps and producing groups of .62" and .46" at 100 yards. That is minute of Central Valley ground squirrel as far as I can reasonably shoot.

[scope eye]

This powder works very well in my 6mm BRX with a 30" 8 twist barrel, I was loading 35gr of it and getting over 3200fps, with 105gr Amax's with the tightest groups I have yet to see.

Dean

[cs700]

I know this is an older thread but I just tried this powder with SMK 69gr.22 in a out of the box Savage model 12bvss .223. Shot at 300 yards using a 600 yard target reduced to 300 yards & OnTargetPC program data showed a 5 shot group at .459 MOA. Planning on trying it with some Bergers next.

[Frank V]

Since I posted before I've found it to be a great powder in the .223 & don't get as much copper fouling as before.
It runs through a powder measure very consistantly, gives fantastic accuracy, & I think less copper fouling.
I like it.

[darkker]

Since this thread won't die.
CFE223 is the canister version of SMP 842, which in one form or another has been around for close to 15 years now. It is the propellant General Dynamics has been tweeking for the 5.56 all copper ammo.
The specific way it cleans is with a series of Tin/Bismuth compounds. Those same cleaners have been (in different amounts) in Win 748 & H414/Win760/AA2700 for a very very long time. They were first discovered to keep copper fouling at bay, by the French around 1900. If you would like to read about it, grab a copy of "Hatcher's Notebook".

Anyway, the fouling will look like a very heavy, loose soot.

[GaCop]

Since this thread won't die.
CFE223 is the canister version of SMP 842, which in one form or another has been around for close to 15 years now. It is the propellant General Dynamics has been tweeking for the 5.56 all copper ammo.
The specific way it cleans is with a series of Tin/Bismuth compounds. Those same cleaners have been (in different amounts) in Win 748 & H414/Win760/AA2700 for a very very long time. They were first discovered to keep copper fouling at bay, by the French around 1900. If you would like to read about it, grab a copy of "Hatcher's Notebook".

Anyway, the fouling will look like a very heavy, loose soot. Good information, thanks!

[Dewey7271]

ScopeEye,
Did you ever try it in the 260 AI?
Just curious about your results as I have one and haven't used this powder in it.

[scope eye]

ScopeEye,
Did you ever try it in the 260 AI?
Just curious about your results as I have one and haven't used this powder in it.

Yes I have many times all with great results, I have tried it with 85gr,107gr, and 120gr Sierra's and also 95gr Vmax's.

Dean