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scope eye
02-21-2013, 01:56 PM
I have found a good alternative to Varget it is a Hogdon CFE223, I have tried it in several calibers all with great success, and have averaged over 100 FPS more than I have using Varget just like when I switched from H4350 to RL17, and it meters like sand to boot, and on the same note it seems to burn cooler also, here are some of the calibers I have tried it in with and have had good results.

223
22-250
220 Swift
243
260 AI
308
6mm-06 AI
25-06
270
30-06

Tanks Dean

308law
02-21-2013, 02:16 PM
I have also read some success from people using LEVERevolution as an available substatute for Varget, I think I might try it.

scope eye
02-21-2013, 02:27 PM
I saw that, I will end up trying it, the lever part swayed me away, when I here the word lever the first thing that comes to mind is a 40-70 govt,and a 405gr bullet traveling 1750 FPS there's nothing wrong with that, just not my kind of shooting, I tried the Superformance it was OK, just not good enough to sway me away from the tried and trued H4831, which is a hard act to follow.

Tanks Dean

65impala
02-21-2013, 02:31 PM
Another good shooting powder for moderate cases is the IMR 8208XBR. The XBR stands for eXtreme Bench Rest, it's a very temperature insensative powder that meters well and has given me excellent accuracy. The only downside is a lack of data for many cartridges since it's relatively new, but on the ones where I have found data it has been a great powder.

George

jhelmuth
02-21-2013, 03:32 PM
Thanks Dean.

I'll be ordering 8# and give it a try. I'm sure if you recommend it, it will be a good one!

scope eye
02-21-2013, 04:14 PM
You know if that slot on the shelf where they stack the Varget wasn't always empty, at the place where I get my supplies, I probably would not have tried it, being the creature of habit that I am.

Dean

wbm
02-21-2013, 05:12 PM
Another I have been using is Alliant AR-COMP. Supposed to be a reformulated RL-15 but the burn rate is close to Varget. Some call it "Swedish Varget".

scope eye
02-21-2013, 05:21 PM
"Swedish Varget" Does that mean it's tall blond and has blue eyes. LOL

wbm
02-21-2013, 05:25 PM
Yes, Yes, and Yes.

mattm0812
02-21-2013, 05:44 PM
Isn't CFE223 a ball powder?

I've never had any luck with ball powders.

scope eye
02-21-2013, 05:52 PM
Yes It is a ball powder, just an FYI a 223 AI will hold 34gr of the stuff the FPS numbers are in the stratosphere.

Dean

JCalhoun
02-21-2013, 07:16 PM
Where did you find it?

GaryB
02-21-2013, 07:27 PM
Yes It is a ball powder, just an FYI a 223 AI will hold 34gr of the stuff the FPS numbers are in the stratosphere.

Dean

That sounds very exciting! I will look into this.

Thanks Dean.
Gary

scope eye
02-21-2013, 07:28 PM
I found it at a local mom and pops place in the next town from me, I love going there cause it's gossip central, they old timers are hysterical.
anything that's not a 45-120 sharps, is one of them fancy calibers.

Dean

ShowMeShooter
02-21-2013, 07:57 PM
I have a friend that is having good luck with CFE223 as well. He is using it in a .243Win and a .222rem

acemisser
02-22-2013, 07:42 AM
I have a friend that is having good luck with CFE223 as well. He is using it in a .243Win and a .222rem

:behindsofa:I been looking all over for some of this CFE to try and the report I get is Good Luck trying to get any of it..My local dealer can't even get it he said..

timbertoes
02-22-2013, 10:40 AM
search on IMR4320

6mmBR_Shooter
02-22-2013, 10:42 AM
Does the CFE 223 seem as resistant to temp change as Varget?

I have also used AR-COMP, as an "improved" RE-15 as mentioned above.

davemuzz
02-22-2013, 10:44 AM
I found it at a local mom and pops place in the next town from me, I love going there cause it's gossip central, they old timers are hysterical.
anything that's not a 45-120 sharps, is one of them fancy calibers.

Dean

Love to "shop" in those kind of places!! The only bad thing is.....you just have to expect to spend an hour of your time to pick up a pound of powder....and a "sack full of stories."

scope eye
02-22-2013, 11:04 AM
Does the CFE 223 seem as resistant to temp change as Varget?

I have also used AR-COMP, as an "improved" RE-15 as mentioned above.

I can't confirm that, but most new powders seem to better when it comes to being temp sensitive.

Dean