love it but don't trust it.

[fsr402]

Got a new axis 270 a month or so ago so I could reach out a bit more than my 20 year old Remington 30- 06.
I love the way this 270 shoots and I have shot it out to 300 yards and it's great. But my problem with it is that I have put 34 rounds through it and in those I have had 3 miss fires. Two of them dented the primer but never fired. The 3rd never left a mark. It did fire it aafter reloading the round.
I just don't trust it for hunting. Hate the thought of sighting down on a big buck just to have it go click.

[Gmac5]

What type of ammo ? Factory ? Handloads?

[Gmac5]

Make sure the BAS is tight

[fgw_in_fla]

It's not that hard to check firing pin protrusion thru the bolt face.
After you check the BAS like Gmac mentioned...

[fsr402]

I'm shooting the same ammo that I have trusted for 30 years of hunting. Remington Core Lokt in 130gr factory loads as I don't reload or shoot enough to reload.
I'll check out the BAS when I get home and measure the distance the pin is exiting also.

[thomae]

Try disassembling the bolt and cleaning it thoroughly; then relube and reassemble. Perhaps some swarf or schmutz from the manufacturing process is trapped in there impeding the firing pin travel.

PS: Both Swarf and Schmutz are real words.

[fsr402]

So if I take it apart (have never done it before but there is a great write up on this sites main page) what is the best lube to use? I have found some info about filing the spring to remove burs that can hang up and make it misfire.

[fsr402]

So first I checked the BAS and it was tight. Then I checked the penetration of the firing pin. It protrudes out of the head .052 so that is good.
Then I removed the BAS and handle and this is what I found. The spring is in three pieces. What I don't know is if it was meant to be that way by Savage. The front of the spring almost looks like the little "ring" could have snapped off it and then pinched close to form the ring and not a coil. But the other end near the BAS shows no signs of ever being one piece. Both ends of the spring are ground flat..

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd373/fsr402/20121106_093829.jpg

[fsr402]

I don't have the numbers off the gun on me so I can't even call them on it. But I did find the spring on their website. Tried to order it to only have it say that I must be an approved gunsmith thru them to order this part. What a pain. I know they are going to want me to send them the gun to fix it. So remove scope, box up, ship it out have them spend 2 minutes to replace a $2 spring and ship it back to me. Then remount the scope and re-sight it. And opening day is a week away.
Thinking of adding an .125 shim "washer" to the back of the spring to add more preload. What say you?

[thomae]

Deleted my post as I had no idea that Savage now used a three piece spring in the new Axis rifles.
I learn something new every day on this forum!

[Gmac5]

Its not broken !
No brag , just fact

[Gmac5]

How did your cocking button come out ? Was the tail of the spring in it?

[Gmac5]

Its the new axis spring assem. I dont know when thy changed ,but nothing is broken .(springs anyway)

[JRI]

That's the way it's suppose to be,my new Axis 30-06 has the identical spring,so I contacted Savage yesterday,the rep said Savage changed the spring to the 3 piece set up about 6 months ago. However,I've not experiences any failures to fire with my 30-06 Axis,nor with my older 223 Axis,which has the 1 piece firing spring.

Jeff

[fsr402]

I agree Gm it's not a broken spring. The front section was cut and had a wicked bur on the inside that is digging into the firing pin body. I used a fine rasp to file that off, a light clean up on the pin body to remove the bur that was caused by the spring and filed the 3rd piece of the spring to remove the burs on that. It seems to move much better.

The cocking button came out easy once I used the tip of an ink pen to push the spring back past the button shaft.

I will call savage tomorrow and see what they say about this. It's not broke but it's not right either. With the three piece spring thing it makes the spring pitch to the side when compressed. This is in turn putting side force on the firing pin. It's showing heavy wear on the opposite side of the pin near the cocking button and opposite of that at the tip. Which tells me it's not allowing the pin to travel true to the bolt.

I also notice that when the spring is assembled onto the pin the end of the spring sits flush with the end of the pin. When I compare that to the picture of the assembled spring on Thomae's writeup (found on the main page of this site) it clearly shows a good 2mm or more of the spring sitting past the end of the pin giving it more pre-load then I have.

Perhaps when this rifle was assembled the firing pin pressure tested to high or to low so to fix it they did this strange stack up of springs.

[fsr402]

Ok so if you have already been thru this I'll take that is it is what it is. I think cleaning the burs off the spring will help a lot.

[Gmac5]

Its my understanding that the new spring design was to eliminate the spring from digging into the BAS , which gave hard bolt lift and under certain conditions would make the BAS begin to unscrew.

[fsr402]

That make sense. Having the 3 piece spring does allow the spring to rotate where as a one piece wont. Only problem is the fix for one problem is causing new problems.

[JRI]

Well,so far,my 30-06 Axis has the new spring assembly,and has been 100% reliable,no failures to fire thru 927 rounds. So I can only hope it continues to be 100% reliable,knock on wood.

[Amistoso]

That's the way it's suppose to be,my new Axis 30-06 has the identical spring,so I contacted Savage yesterday,the rep said Savage changed the spring to the 3 piece set up about 6 months ago. However,I've not experiences any failures to fire with my 30-06 Axis,nor with my older 223 Axis,which has the 1 piece firing spring.

Jeff
My Sav axis .223 has the same 3 piece as fsr402