30/30 in M10???

[joeb33050]

Can an M10 work with a barrel for the 30/30? Will the bolt and extractoe work?
Thanks;
joe b.

[jlcpls]

I don't think the rimmed cartridge is kosher with the Model 10/110 bolts.

Believe the old Model 340 (et al) came in that cartridge.

[Eric in NC]

You could use the 30 Remington and a 6.8PPC extractor setup. Would work fine - but a handload only proposition.

[Blue Avenger]

.30-30 brass is designed to have the WHOLE case inside the barrel. if you put it in a 110 design the head sits in the bolt face and there is a gap between the barrel and bolt head where the thin case is exposed with no support. rimless case's have more material build into the web to take the exposure.

[SFLEFTY]

I had some similar thoughts except 375 Win or 38-55. Greg made a good point about the rimmed brass, but I'm thinking the 375 Win might be beefed up enuf to work? It would be a single shot, it would use a magnum bolt face and would need one of SSS's special longer extractors like he uses for PPC in a 308 bolt face. And yes, it would be somewhat off the wall. One of the guys on here mentioned his 788 38-55 (how about that 788kid?) in a discussion about how custom cars and rifles both can lose you some money if you sell them. Oh well. I don't invest in guns, I tinker and I will sell and trade if needed.

[rohk]

Not sure which model but RandyB has already built a 30-30 on the savage platform.

http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,12686.15.html

[SFLEFTY]

joeb;
You have to go to page two of the link but it's worth it, I think we have a very encouraging answer to your 30-30 question. Very cool.

[sinman]

a 300 savage would be a lot easier and better, at least the 300 would feed.

[SFLEFTY]

But Devin, that solution only appeals to a SANE person, not us. Actually I had thought of that or 35 Rem if a person just wants a vintage cartridge, and so has Savage obviously in the Classics. Since you joined in though, do you have any concerns like Greg does about the 30-30 case in a 110 family, or more to my point, a 375 Win with some pretty min loads at least to start? Single shot, no problem.

[joeb33050]

a 300 savage would be a lot easier and better, at least the 300 would feed.

The 300 savage won't help.
I shoot only cast lead bullets, and am working with some very low velocity = <600 fps 200 grain bullet loads in my Striker 308 Win. I fear that the headspace will shorten with these loads, and was wondering if a rimmed smaller case, such as 30/30, would work in the M10, solving the headspace problem. I read the referenced posts on 30/30 in a Savage, and don&#39;t know what happened about the "unsupported base brass" problem.
Maybe a 30/20 would work, but the brass is very poor.
Thanks;
joe b.

[SFLEFTY]

OK, my idea has a problem, and now I think so does yours. The bolt face is much deeper than the rim, SO there is no way these will headspace on the rim. The 30-30 would solve my problem, or 7-30, etc. so long as it has a shoulder and I still don&#39;t mind a single shot. For you, how about the 300 whisper or such? Otherwise, you have to have a bolt head massively modified to make it shallow, change to a Sako like extractor, and then the barrel will need an extractor notch which very much ruins the easy barrel fitting thing. This kept me awake last night about two hours so I may be in my right mind, but I&#39;m sure not in my correct mind. Oh well, this is supposed to be fun not totally practical.

[BobT]

I don&#39;t know how much powder capacity you need but the .30 BR comes to mind, you could set it up to headspace off the case mouth, similar to the .45ACP. Then you wouldn&#39;t have to worry about shoulder collapse. The only time I have ever heard of this being a problem is with a small shoulder like the .35 Remington.

Bob

[Eric in NC]

a 300 savage would be a lot easier and better, at least the 300 would feed.

The 300 savage won&#39;t help.
I shoot only cast lead bullets, and am working with some very low velocity = <600 fps 200 grain bullet loads in my Striker 308 Win. I fear that the headspace will shorten with these loads, and was wondering if a rimmed smaller case, such as 30/30, would work in the M10, solving the headspace problem. I read the referenced posts on 30/30 in a Savage, and don&#39;t know what happened about the "unsupported base brass" problem.
Maybe a 30/20 would work, but the brass is very poor.
Thanks;
joe b.



As I said - 30 Remington would work just fine. Exactly like 30/30 only rimless.

[sinman]

I wouldn&#39;t do a 30-30 just because of safety, sure 1 person did it but does that mean its safe? a 300 whisper would work great for you

[Blue Avenger]

I would love to do a .25-20 or hornet, but some times some of the wildcats win safe. lots of rimless cases that can be used to build from.

[bigedp51]

Gentlemen.

Many of you are not grasping "why" joeb33050 wants to use the 30-30 case for shooting "reduced" cast bullet loads. joeb33050 wants to use a rimmed case to "control" headspace on reduced loads because the firing pin drives the shoulder forward each time the trigger is pulled.

In the reloading manuals you are warned to "NEVER" use cartridge cases that were used for reduced loads in full power loadings because of the danger of case head separations.

If you have a RCBS Precision Mic measure a fired case with the primer still in it, now dry fire this case several times and remeasure the case and you will see the case is now shorter than before.

Many case bullet shooters prefer rimmed cartridge cases because the rim is a mechanical stop that prevents the case from moving further forward when hit by the firing pin.

Below is a .303 British case used for reduced loads, because of low chamber pressures the cartridge ends up headspacing on the primer.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/9-3.jpg

Because the headspace was excessive and the owner wanted to improve case alignment and thus accuracy he manufactured a longer bolt head.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/1.jpg

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A longer bolt head for tighter headspace and "tighter" groups with reduced loads. ;)

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/8.jpg


With a "rimmed" 30-30 cartridge case with "constant" minimum headspace he will have uniform ignition, better case alignment with the chamber/bore and thus better accuracy. ;)

[Blue Avenger]

Gentlemen.

Many of you are not grasping "why" joeb33050 wants to use the 30-30 case for shooting "reduced" cast bullet loads.

we even grasp why evil kanivle wanted to jump the snake river!

[bigedp51]

Gentlemen.

Many of you are not grasping "why" joeb33050 wants to use the 30-30 case for shooting "reduced" cast bullet loads.

we even grasp why evil kanivle wanted to jump the snake river!


Let me guess,

1. To get to the other side. ::)
2. Or to screw the promoters out of their money. ;)

A 35 Rem, 300 Sav and a 30 BR don&#39;t have rims, so my question now is how far does your "we" extend to in this posting.

[Eric in NC]

I shoot reduced cast bullet loads in rimless cases (and rimmed ones) all the time. While primers will back out, I don&#39;t have case head seperation or stretching problems because they are "REDUCED" loads.

While I agree that cases that are used for reduced loads shouldn&#39;t be subsequently used for full house loads, I wouldn&#39;t use my carefully prepped cast bullet cases (sized to take over bore sized bullets etc.) that way anyway.

Still doesn&#39;t help with using rimmed cases in a Savage 10/110 action.

[bigedp51]

Some of us don&#39;t need cast bullets, but like tightly headspaced rimmed cartridges. ;)

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/IMGP3835.jpg

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