Bone stock 6.5 Creedmoor 12 LRP shoots .3 MOA - amazing

[Panozguy]

So I decided to try a different load from the factory match ammo and hand load a few. This is a brand new 12 LRP with 81 rounds down the pipe before today. We loaded up a batch of factory spec 140 grain A-Max (with the exception being the primer - I used CCI 200 large primers instead of the Federal 210). I then used 5 Sierra Match King 142 grains with the same exact loading specs. Look at the results at a laser confirmed 100 yards! That's 2 x 2 bugholes and 1 in between.

http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj592/panozguy/Auburn-20120929-00125.jpg

So the exact load is this:

Once fired factory brass, sized as usual - neck tolerance about 3-4 thousands based off the Hornady 'standard' dies - not 'match' dies, no internal neck mandrel sizing
CCI 200 large rifle primer
Hodgson H4350 powder - 41.5 grains +/- 1/10th of grain
Sierra Match King 142 grain 6.5mm projectile
COAL = 2.810" (exactly factory spec - interesting)

I have done absolutely nothing to this rifle. No bedding, trigger bone stock, everything bone stock. I am amazed by these results. I can only hope the 142 SMK will perform as well at 4/5/6/700 yards.

The factory match ammo clone shot well at about .75 MOA but the SMK's were amazing at this distance. It could be that the two will even out as I stretch the distance but ****...the SMK's blew me out of the water. What a great starting point for a cartridge and rifle!

If anyone is on the fence about the accuracy of these rifles in 6.5 Creedmoor, jump on the train. For reference, I shot between .5 and 1 MOA with the factory load. The SMK's have improved that considerably at 100 yards. I'll post back with more info once I get to the range and stretch it out. Who knows, the factory load could be better at longer distances...

Edit - I have to give credit - it was not me shooting this group, it was my amazing shooter friend. I can only hope to shoot these types of groups in the future. Fortunately, he's taken me under his wing.

[M.O.A.]

Glad to see you again and real happy you creed is proving to be a real shooter ;-) your doin good

[Panozguy]

Glad to see you again and real happy you creed is proving to be a real shooter ;-) your doin good

Thanks MOA - I am very happy I dropped the coin on this rifle and scope combo. 12 LRP+Sightron SIII+Harris bipod+142grainSMK=WIN!!!

EDIT - this was off a wobbly portable bench. Off a real solid concrete bench this could be better. This was with a Harris 6-9" bipod and a good rear bag but the bench was suspect IMO.

[M.O.A.]

LOL you seem to have the timing down on the wobble of the bench ;-)

[Panozguy]

LOL you seem to have the timing down on the wobble of the bench ;-)

To be honest, it's my buddy who shot this group, not me. He's a much better shooter than I am, but I'm learning. I'm currently a .5-1 MOA shooter out to 600 yards. I'm just glad the weapon platform is capable of getting there. Know what I mean?

[M.O.A.]

Yap you get there

[M.O.A.]

Sounds great Trent and good Luck this weekend. I gust love heading when the underdogs kick a$$ ;-)

[Panozguy]

These 6.5 Creedmoor LRPs are pretty amazing. I cleaned house last Sunday at a 600yd f-class match with my bone stock LRP set up pretty much the same as yours (6.5CM LRP... SIII 10-50x scope... Harris BR bipod). I was shooting against full customs and this "little" factory rig came out on top. By a good margin too! I shot a 577-18x and 2nd and 3rd came in at 547 and 545 respectively (kinda windy). I haven't done anything to mine except mount a scope, develop a load and shoot it. This Saturday I'll be shooting a 1K f-class match against a bigger group of shooters. I hope I can stack up well.

May I ask what load you are using? If it's a competition secret, PM me. I'm just staring to work up some hand loads for this rifle and I'd love to hear some options. I've been thinking 123 SMK might also be interesting but from most accounts I've read the 120 A-Max is crap. I'm initially sticking to the 140-class projectiles and just working on case prep and powder charge.


Sounds great Trent and good Luck this weekend. I gust love heading when the underdogs kick a$$ ;-)

Yep. "The Little Engine That Could" and all that. I'm thinking some of us just got on the train earlier than others. :-) In two years everyone will be on about the 12 LRP...mark my words.

[M.O.A.]

He has posted his load on the creedmoor site I thing its 41gns h4350 under a 139 scenar .

[That1guy]

My LRP mirrors your results. Factory 140AMAX loads make small groups. The SMK (loaded to book length) is slightly worse than my hand loaded 140 AMAX, but both make the smallest groups with 41.5 gr H4350. I live close to Sierra and buy their blems really cheap. So once my AMAX is out, I'll probably play with my OAL more to try and get the 142SMK groups a little better. My rifle has nearly 900 rounds through it, and is still shooting like it was at 50 rounds.

The 120 Amax shoots really small holes as well running book lenth, and 44.5gr H4350. I havent tried the Varget load.

The 95Vmax doesnt shoot as well, but runs 3300 fps, and shoots right at MOA, slightly under.

[stomp442]

Nice shooting! Can't go wrong with the bullets in the green box.

[Big Old Boy]

Great review in this months Gun Magazine with about the same findings but then I guess we all know Savage has it right.

[davemuzz]

Good to hear!! My "new this past summer" .223 M-10 Precision Carbine is one heck of a shooter. 5 (yes five) 69gr. Hornady BTHP in a 100 yard half-inch group. Yeah buddy!!!

[Panozguy]

Great review in this months Gun Magazine with about the same findings but then I guess we all know Savage has it right.

Interesting article! Here's the online link if anyone is interested:

http://www.gunsmagazine.com/savages-model-12-long-range-precision/

[csam]

To be honest, it's my buddy who shot this group, not me. He's a much better shooter than I am, but I'm learning. I'm currently a .5-1 MOA shooter out to 600 yards. I'm just glad the weapon platform is capable of getting there. Know what I mean?

No No, you don't say that out loud! As for me, I am a one hole shooter out to 1000 yds! I just haven't found a rifle that can keep up with me yet.

[earl39]

As for me, I am a one hole shooter out to 1000 yds!

Hey i can do that too, i just have to look around and figure out who's target i hit. hehehe

[M.O.A.]

dang it i shot 10 rounds and there 15 holes in my target ;-} lol

[Panozguy]

dang it i shot 10 rounds and there 15 holes in my target ;-} lol

Just being honest. If and when I can shoot .25 MOA groups, trust me - I will be bragging.

For what it's worth, the 12 LRP shot a .25 - .3 MOA group at 700 yards. Again, my buddy shooting, not me - 4 shot group at a laser ranged 700. That's a spray can lid...I'm sure you know how big that is. FROM A FACTORY RIFLE! No bedding, no custom work, no trigger manipulataion at all.

The load was once fired factory Hornady 'match' brass, CCI large rifle primers, 41.5 grains H4350 and SMK 142's. Money!

http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj592/panozguy/IMG-20121007-00133.jpg

[FUBAR]

Just being honest. If and when I can shoot .25 MOA groups, trust me - I will be bragging.

For what it's worth, the 12 LRP shot a .25 - .3 MOA group at 700 yards. Again, my buddy shooting, not me - 4 shot group at a laser ranged 700. That's a spray can lid...I'm sure you know how big that is. FROM A FACTORY RIFLE! No bedding, no custom work, no trigger manipulataion at all.

The load was once fired factory Hornady 'match' brass, CCI large rifle primers, 41.5 grains H4350 and SMK 142's. Money!

http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj592/panozguy/IMG-20121007-00133.jpg


Is that the .25 -.3 MOA at 700 yards target? I can't tell how many or what MOA on that steel plate, were you spotting the hits?

First target at 100 yrds looks real good....

[Panozguy]

Is that the .25 -.3 MOA at 700 yards target? I can't tell how many or what MOA on that steel plate, were you spotting the hits?

First target at 100 yrds looks real good....

Yes, that's .25-3 MOA at 700. It's not scientific but that's a standard spray paint can lid as the red dot. Yes, I was spotting for him but to be honest - he doesn't really need it. The guy is a hell of a shooter. I'm just posting it to show that a bone stock LRP can get it done at 700 as well as anywhere in between. I personally shoot good groups at 600, but the wind is a factor between 6 and 700. That's where my shooting buddy shines - he can read the mirage and wind better than I can at that range. But I'm still learning. Which is the point of me buying this rifle, lol!

Best of luck shooting and thank you for your service!