Savage 223 barrels - different throat length?

[BoilerUP]

Perhaps this has been covered elsewhere on the site, I did a search and didn't find anything...

I have a 26" 1:9 barrel taken off of an early 2000s vintage 12FV, and when I measure to the lands with a 75gr Hornady HPBT I get ~2.295".

I recently purchased a 20" 1:9 barrel taken off of an 11 Hog Hunter, and when I measure to the lands with the same bullet I get ~2.395".

Does anybody definitively know if Savage went to a longer 223 throat on their newer rifles?

[darkker]

I THINK, so take it for only that, That they don't follow a rigid spec; per se.
I think that they use a gracious range, or perhaps follow the nato throat.
I've had 3 different FP's all with different, but VERY long throats.

[helotaxi]

I'll have my LnL gauge this Friday. I'm almost thinking that blissful ignorance was the way to go.

[sharpshooter]

I've been measuring these particular chambers for the last 20 yrs. as a personal study. I've never found any with less than .125" freebore and the longest was .265".
You will never see a Savage barrel in .223 chamber with less than .100" of freebore. I got that straight from the horses mouth.
There seems to be a lot of shooters that have a big hang up about freebore length. Freebore length is not as important as freebore diameter. Bullets don't neccesarily have to be close the lands to shoot accurate.

[MZ5]

I agree, and longer freebore lowers pressures, too, so people can load a decent amount too much powder, but still have actual pressures that are safe (Savage's often-large 223 chambers help with that, too).

As another thought: Could the longer-throated chamber just have a whole lot more rounds through it?

[bigedp51]

HOLLIGER ON .223/5.56 CHAMBERS

"Here are just a few of the chamber reamers that I have prints for. There are hundreds of .223/5.56 chamber dimensions and I always get a kick out of people arguing over whether a rifle has a .223 or a 5.56 chamber. Just because it has a .223 chamber, does not mean it's the same as another rifle with a .223 chamber. Both reamers may say .223 on them, but they may be very much different. Also, everyone just knows the .223 is smaller than the 5.56, well the 5.56 Target chamber is smaller in about every dimension than the .223 Wylde."

http://www.radomski.us/njhp/cart_tech.htm

[Admin]

HOLLIGER ON .223/5.56 CHAMBERS

"Here are just a few of the chamber reamers that I have prints for. There are hundreds of .223/5.56 chamber dimensions and I always get a kick out of people arguing over whether a rifle has a .223 or a 5.56 chamber. Just because it has a .223 chamber, does not mean it's the same as another rifle with a .223 chamber. Both reamers may say .223 on them, but they may be very much different. Also, everyone just knows the .223 is smaller than the 5.56, well the 5.56 Target chamber is smaller in about every dimension than the .223 Wylde."

http://www.radomski.us/njhp/cart_tech.htm

I swear to God biged - if you turn this thread into another one of your ridiculous/irrelevant 223/5.56 debates I'm going to blow a gasket. :deadhorse:

[bigedp51]

I swear to God biged - if you turn this thread into another one of your ridiculous/irrelevant 223/5.56 debates I'm going to blow a gasket. :deadhorse:

The OP asked a question, and as always no specific throat dimensions are given for a Savage rifle. Instead of blowing a gasket or telling the poster his question is irrelevant why doesn’t someone here at this Savage website get the reamer dimensions and give the actual answer.

I own a Savage .223 and a AR15 National Match rifle and would also like a definitive answer to this question just like most of the Savage .223 owners would like to know. This is not meant to be insulting, but if you can't get an answer here about a Savage rifle but get plenty of information elsewhere on chamber reamers for the .223 and 5.56 something is wrong.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/gasket.jpg

[Blue Avenger]

I've been measuring these particular chambers for the last 20 yrs. as a personal study. I've never found any with less than .125" freebore and the longest was .265".
You will never see a Savage barrel in .223 chamber with less than .100" of freebore. I got that straight from the horses mouth.

here is your answer. You can read it in print on the net so it is true. Now, me reading between the line would say you will never get a .0010 spec because there is not one that repeatably accurate in savages box of reamers, milling machines or operators. What the books say for numbers is not real world 100%!

[bigedp51]

here is your answer. You can read it in print on the net so it is true. Now, me reading between the line would say you will never get a .0010 spec because there is not one that repeatably accurate in savages box of reamers, milling machines or operators. What the books say for numbers is not real world 100%!

And what Sharpshooter is saying is a Savage .223 rifle has more freebore than a Weatherby .224 Magnum which I find hard to believe. I also find it hard to believe that a Savage .223 rifle has over twice the freebore that a military 5.56 AR has, therefore some "official" printed material from Savage should be furnished to back up what he is saying. The longest freebore figure listed below is 0.0680 and is less than half the size of the smallest figure given by Sharpshooter so something does not add up with his figures.

And let me be very clear, you can go to a AR 15 forum and get more printed material than is given at this website on freebore or throat length.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/223-556reamerjpg.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/223-556.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/223-556chamberjpg.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o254/bigedp51/556natochamberversus223remingtonchamber02.jpg

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/514300_.html&page=1

[BoilerUP]

FWIW, I recently sold a Stevens 200 .223 barrel and it too measured 2.395" to the lands with a 75gr HPBT...

[Blue Avenger]

AR15, Weatherby and anyone else you want to name or any book and printed material you want to site are not Savage Barrels.
Your not going to magically change anything in there manufacturing specs with all your charts. Your charts are very informative, but not laws that have to be followed.
It would be great if after you give your Very Well Researched and Informed opinion, you have a bit of tolerance and not force feed it beyond a reasonable number of posts to the point you have turned it to an argument.

[Admin]

And yet another clueless sole who failed to heed my warning. I'm going to run out of free 7-day vacations at this rate.

[earl39]

and to think I stayed out of this one. I must be gettin old.

[Speedrat1]

BigEd, I'd not seen the documentation put together quite that nicely. Thanks for that!