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teddy12b
12-14-2009, 10:42 AM
I'm thinking very hard about buying a Mark II TR (22 LR) that comes out in 2010. Looks like a sweet and comfortable 22LR. The only problem is that I know as soon as I buy it, I won't be happy shooting at 50 or even 100 yards. I'd like to stretch out the little 22LR to 200 yards and also 300 yards. I'm not talking about hunting shots, just shooting at the range for giggles.

I'm confident that I'm going to need heavy subsonic ammo (I'm thinking those 60gr's) and I'm also going to want a scope with plenty of MOA adjustment.

Does anyone else have a similar setup?

Any recommendations?

82boy
12-14-2009, 12:08 PM
It is rare to find people that shoot out past 100 yards with a 22lr, I have done it but there is a ton of drop, and most scopes do not have enough movement. I would recommend a Vortex Crossfire 8-32 scope because of the massive amount of adjustment (75 minutes) and a set of 30mm Burris signature rings. (Which has some more adjustment in them.) The scope quoted is a great scope, and IMO the best scope in the price range, and higher up. ($225 area.)

LG
12-14-2009, 02:32 PM
I'm sure I will be fun to stretch it out that far.

I've never shot a .22 LR past 100 yards. Actually shooting a .22 LR at 100 yds is already a humbling experience for me. It shows how bad my wind reading skills are...

Bad Water Bill
12-14-2009, 02:53 PM
Pat Brad was shooting at 200 yards and doing a good job at the Shoot in August. I could keep it on paper at 150 when the wind would be nice. I know he has a BV but just what the scope or ammo was you would have to ask Brad.

Balljoint
12-14-2009, 04:41 PM
Have tried my 52D out to 100 yards from the bench with just over 1 inch group with iron sights, have a 20 power Unertl scope (about two feet long) that came with it when i purchased the rifle from a friend at the gun club.
From the offhand groups opened up to 1.5 inch no wind very hard to do.

Blue Avenger
12-14-2009, 06:14 PM
long range Black Powder guys will use them. the 300 yard drop is the same as the .45-70 with no recoil.

Eric in NC
12-15-2009, 01:04 PM
The 60 grain bullets require a faster than standard 22LR twist.

nodak
12-15-2009, 08:16 PM
I'd say get the 20MOA bases from RimfireTech, a good 32 power scope and then do some testing with 40gr subsonic rounds to see what your rifle likes and you'll be fine out to a good long distance. Just remember-----22LR long range shooting is very humbling.

tammons
12-15-2009, 08:35 PM
Try some wolf target ammo.
I have not shot them past 100 yards though.
At 50 yards I was shooting about 3/8". At 100 yards about 3/4"-1".

Yep you will need a lot of elevation to shoot to 200-300 yards.
A 40 gr bullet at 1050 like the wolf target zeroed at 100 yards will drop about 40" at 200 yards and 130" at 300 yards.

Wind drift at 10mph 4"/100 15"/200 and 32"/300.

A guy at the range was shooting his 22 short at 100 yards the other day, and it was windy. He was lobbing them in there.

Josh Smith
12-17-2009, 12:27 AM
+1 on the 20MOA base. Mine came from EGW, mainly because I'm a 1911 guy and the name was familiar to me.

As of this post, I've not tried much over 100 yards - it's been too cold - but the base plus a Mueller APV 'scope make hitting a steel, life-sized prairie dog silhouette target at that distance a breeze with hunting ammunition. I can usually call head or body shots, as well.

The reason I'm burning up all this ammo doing this is simple: I'm learning to read the wind. It's almost always blowing from the east or west here, and my range is positioned north to south. It's a challenge.

I'll buy a day at the local range this summer, I suppose, and give 150 and 200 yards a try then. We'll see what happens.

Buy a note pad and keep your drop data on it. That pad will be your friend for long range shooting.

Josh <><

NLPeaden
12-17-2009, 08:49 PM
Anyone tried calculating the thousand yard drop from a 100 yard zero and posting a bullseye (flagpole?) that far above the target?

tammons
12-17-2009, 09:06 PM
Wolf target - 1050 fps
Drop - 3450" at 1000 yards (287&#39;-6")
FPS - 380
FPE - 13

Barrel elevation - too much for the software to calculate.

NLPeaden
12-18-2009, 06:38 AM
Back of the envelope:

Angle for 95.83 yds. elevation in 1000 yds. distance is arctan(95.83/1000) = 5.474 degrees or just shy of 328.4 minutes above zero.

Still doesn&#39;t seem right, but who knows, until we build a carriage and make a .22 howitzer, it would be tough to tell.

ergceo
12-19-2009, 10:48 AM
My little Savage MkII bull barrel will hold 2 inch groups at 100yds if I do my part, might do better if I worked at it and tried diff loads, etc. EGW 20MOA base and Bushnell 4200 10x fixed tactical scope. I have been shooting Fiocchi subsonic ammo out of my 16 inch barrel with Spectre suppressor. You don&#39;t hear anything and you can literally watch the bullets "fall" into the target. 8 inches of adjust in my scope from my 50yd zero.

beradon
12-22-2009, 08:02 AM
If I was going to shoot those kind of distances with a rimfire it would be with a .17 caliber. I don&#39;t own one but from what I&#39;ve read they are super accurate out to 200 yds and maybe even further.

strawboss38679
01-10-2010, 10:58 AM
I am making my mark II into a trainer for long range shooting right now. I will have a 50yard zero and want to shoot out to 200. Be ready to test it as soon as spring breaks and the snow subsides. Just a few more things to get ordered and I will be complete

DGD6MM
01-10-2010, 03:07 PM
Here in N.florida where I live my buddy puts .22 tacticals on at his place. We shoot about 150 rounds at paper and steel out to 225 yards. We shoot a reduced smack the smiley at 50 yards among other paper targets. The steel is 4 in.x 4in., 5in.x 5in., 6in.x6 in. and 8in.x 10in. they range from 70-225 yards. Good training exercise. We shoot hostage situations, half the events are timed. We built barricades and each station is a different position. All this stuff and much more is doable with .22&#39;s.

drt
01-13-2010, 08:43 PM
http://www.kenfarrell.com/index.html
they have excellent bases with 0 to 30 moa on various models.
Steven

tammons
01-14-2010, 08:03 PM
Personally I would get a mildot or BDC retical that ranges at its highest power and just use that, but I hunt with mine too. Sightron does. Nikons mill at 12X.

That said most mildot retical lines will probably be too fat for 22.
A milhash would be better.

Dialing in is doable too. Just need a lot of moa.
Zeroed at 100 yds the barrel elevation would be about 19 moa and you would need another 19 moa to get to 200 yards so a angled scope base would be a good idea.

You probably will be using wolf target ammo at 1050 fps, so in high wind you will be lobbing them in there
like a curve ball.

At a 100 yd zero you will be 3.5" high at 50, -14" at 150 and -40" at 200 yds.
That works out to +2 mils at 50, -2.6 mils at 150 and -5.6 mils at 200 yards.

15.5" of drift at 200 yards.

ghogslugger
01-24-2010, 01:59 AM
going that far of a distance is fun but its hard to do accurately. the flight path seems like a rainbow but it is fun to try. but i like tack driving at 300 yards with my 223. ;D