22 Long Snapper

[keeki]

only have .500" from bottom of the die to beginning of the slits

[nsaqam]

Thanks Keeki, I was afraid of that.

[bootsmcguire]

How much would you need to shorten the 222 LCD? or the 22 Hornet LCD?

[nsaqam]

How much would you need to shorten the 222 LCD? or the 22 Hornet LCD?


Excellent suggestions Boots!

The .222 is still a bit long but if the .22 Hornet has enough clearance around the case, the length works very nicely and you'd only need to trim .164".

Worth investigating.

The .22PPC would certainly work and would need shortened by .382".

[handirifle]

Well in the interest of KISS (keep it simple stupid) what if I went with Boots' suggestion, and just shortened a 223 die, and short reamed a chamber? Make my own cartridge. Besides there is so much 223 brass floating around this country, the conversion would be even simpliler.

That way,I would have a true .378 base and the same shoulder as a 223. I do not need the extra case capacity of the TCM.


Is there something else I am missing here? Would that work? Heck I might even be able to ream the chamber myself, MIGHT., if it were a prethreaded barrel (I cant do threads).

[bootsmcguire]

Only thing I can think of that may need some thought is, will shortening 223 brass that much result in the need for reaming the newly formed necks or turning them. I don't know if that chore bothers you or not but something to consider. Would 221-FB brass be a better starting point? I don't know, merely throwing out what pops into my head.

[nsaqam]

Since a workable die is so cheap via the modified .22PPC LCD I'd say to pay Dave Kiff at PTG the $165 he charges to grind a reamer and cut the proper chamber.

But that's just me I guess.

No way would I short ream a chamber.

Have you ever tried cutting a hardened reamer die body? DOH!

[handirifle]

No, but I imagine ginding is the only way, and thats about as precise as a shotgun for a sniper rifle.

I will have to do some investigating and calculating of measurements, and funds to see what and how this will develop.

Have received tons of good feedback here. You guys have heen wonderful.

I actually thought of a couple other branch ideas from this, one is to neck it (whatever IT becomes) down to 17 cal for a 17 HMR duplicate, and a solid brass cartridge with a .224 hole through the center, to a normal neck that can be resised, and load that too a 22 LR level. Once you had the brass, imagine off season practice with your deer rifle, for a cost less than 22 LR?

Of course there is the barrel cost, but still cheape than a 22, reloadable, and greater bullet selection. Switch brass and you have 22 mag power, without changing anything else.

Of course in ates where regs state rimfire only,you couldn't hunt with it, but the plinking fun and cost would be cool. In addition it would make a great training round for a new hunter to get used to the "adult" gun.

Just some thoughts.....

[handirifle]

I will see if a reamer is available, and go from there I suppose. No sense trying to reinvent the wheel. I will also look into the possibility of finding reloading dies for it.

[nsaqam]

If anybody has dies for the TCM it will be CH.

www.ch4d.com

[handirifle]

No dice, or is it no dies? ;D

Anyway I fired off a email to Lee, will see what that brings up. Sent one to PTG also.

[Savage22-250]

Have you thought about trying one of these two options in a caliber you already have?
http://hodgdon.com/PDF/H4895%20Reduced%20Rifle%20Loads.pdf
http://hodgdon.com/PDF/Trail%20Boss%20Reduced%20Loads%20R&P.pdf

[handirifle]

Yea I have done a lot of testing with the reduced loads and in my rifles (223 caliber), they shot more like shotguns than rifles. At 25yds, I was often getting 2+" groups. Never tried trail boss though. Wonder if anyone else has?

[Savage22-250]

Just suggested it cuz my dad found reduced 4895 loads in his 6br and was really accurate. Just found the trail boss loads yesterday so I plan to try that out soon.

[handirifle]

Ok that caught me off guard. Guess i missed the warning of moving the site. Whew, finally got back on. Anyway, back to the topic.
i did some reading and it seems trail boss has good results in the 223, so i picked of a lb today, and will try that route first. Seems folks are getting excellent accuracy with the 1-12 barrels and lighter bullets, but mine is 1-9, so i will try with several loads and bullets. Speeds are right where i want, so we will see. seem right

[handirifle]

Sorry, haven't been ignoring the thread, but had to replace an axle on my trailer, THEN caught Strep throat. So now don't have the energy to do squat. More when am healed, I promise. I am REALLY hoping this trail boss powder does the trick. H4198 will give me the speed but accuracy, in mine, was horrible. Might have to retire the WSM is this works, or at least reserve to to "rimfire only" type of hunts.

[Savage22-250]

Do you mean 4198 or or 4895? My dad is gonna go shoot a 4895 ladder in his 223 tomorrow. Trying 19-25% below max. Wants about 2900 with a 40grn. I'll post his results. He's been having so much fun watching squirrels fly w his 17 hornet he wants to see the hits w his 223 too.

[handirifle]

Thanks for the catch, I got to thinking about that after reading an article on reduced loads, it was 4895.

Your dads accuracy might be better than mine cause I was looking for WMR velocities, around 2000-2200fps and was nowhere near full cases. It will be better for me, I think with Trail Boss cause its a bulkier powder.

However there is an article in the Nov/Dec Petersons Rifle Shooter magazine. He gives outstanding advice on using fast burning powders, other than H4895 and has great results with range data to back it up. Other powders are suitable, Hodgdons just doesn't list them cause they didn't personally test them.

[Savage22-250]

Here's the 223 reduced loads with H4895 and a 40 Vmax.

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg484/Dsmracer121/be32ff86.jpg

[handirifle]

Pretty impressive. Better than I got. What were the speeds of loads 5 &6?