0.7 MOA for 10-FCP-K .308

[sliderspal]

How does 0.7 moa stack up for a .308 10-FCP-K ?

[Uncle Jack]

Mine (a FLCP-K) does less than .500 with 168 Sierras and a Federal case full of 748.

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[frank1947]

how many yards for your .7

[DanSavage]

I'd try some Federal Gold Medal Match 168's, the norm is .5 or less. When I started getting serious about groups I was able to get around .75 most of the time with 2 different brands of factory hunting ammo with a regular 10-FP then I tried the FGGM 168 and my first 3 shot group was .3 at 100 yards. Now that I reload for it .5 or lower.

I think with the right load you'll get under .5 if it is capable of .7.

Regards
Dan

[sniper15545]

My fcp-k consistantly shots under .5. I'm using 168 sierra match kings with 43.5 grains of RL15.

[sliderspal]

This was with Hornady 168 gr Tap.
This is a new rifle and 0.7 Moa was the first 5 shot group out of it.

[sliderspal]

how many yards for your .7


Doesn't really matter cause 0.7 moa is just that.
But to answer your question 100 yards.

[geargrinder]

Doesn't really matter cause 0.7 moa is just that.
But to answer your question 100 yards.


Yes it does. .7 is crap to average at 100. So-so at 500. Pretty damn good at 1000. Fantastic at 1 mile. Almost impossible at 2000.

The yardage makes every bit of difference.

[sliderspal]

0.7 moa is 0.7 moa doesn't mater what the yardage is.
0.7 moa = aprox 7.0" at 1000 yards

[ellobo]

The yardage makes every bit of difference.

As Einstine would say "Everything is relative". If you hunt the dense woodlands of Northern New England like I do a hundred yard shot comes along once every 15 yrs. Average is 50. The last 2 deer I got were with round ball muzzlelaoders, one at 75 paces and the other at 65 paces. That is why the old thutty-thutty is so popular. Fast handleing is more important than MOA than for a western hunter who hunts prairie or mountains and shots may be well over 300 yds where sub MOA is very important. Here I have loads for my 2 Savages, a 35 Whelen and a 7x57 that will both shoot at least MOA with my loads. I have no need to spend time and money developing loads that will shoot 1/2 MOA. I do reload just for the fun of it and to keep my shooting skills sharp. To each his own.

El Lobo

[frank1947]

.7 if you had a not so great rest and factory ammo your better then many others with new gun i have seen dozens with new savages do 2 and 3 inches with factory ammo so you got a good start anyway, but with a good rest and either tailer made ammo( reloads) most savages will shoot sub 1/2 moa.

[pitsnipe]

All very GOOD answers. And when I get mine I'll tell ya. Till then, not bad EVEN AT 100 yds.
GOOD SHOOTIN!!!

[Ray Gunter]

This was with Hornady 168 gr Tap.
This is a new rifle and 0.7 Moa was the first 5 shot group out of it.


First group
First factory load tried
.7 moa

I'd say your doing very well and that rifle shows a great promise.

I'd like to see how it goes after 200 rounds and 4-5 different loads.

[cgeorgemo]

Yes it does. .7 is crap to average at 100. So-so at 500. Pretty damn good at 1000. Fantastic at 1 mile. Almost impossible at 2000.

The yardage makes every bit of difference.

The yardage doesn't change the accuracy of the rifle it changes the accuracy of the shooter.
100 yards is usually used as the minimum to calculate MOA for high powered rifles since it is long enough that most bullets will have stabilized in 100 yards.
And the particular conditions you hunt under have nothing to do with the calculation of accuracy, they just have to do with the minimum acceptable accuracy which is an opinion not a measurement.

[ellobo]

And the particular conditions you hunt under have nothing to do with the calculation of accuracy, they just have to do with the minimum acceptable accuracy which is an opinion not a measurement.

Opinion or not, my accuracy is measured. I know what my loads will do at 100 yds because it is what my club range has. We have a long range area from stands at 200 and out to 600 but it is restricted use and can only be used with range officers present. Very few people have more than 100 yd. ranges to test on. I am well aware I could get much better accuracy out of my rifles and I do have some that will do sub MOA including a 117 yr old Winchester Hi-Wall, 38-55 target rifle. But they arnt my hunting rifles. I am 75 yrs old and have limited finances. With the price of ammo and components I am restricted in what I can do. That is why I shoot a lot with cast bullets and reduced loads. And they are very accurate. So, as I said, too each his own. If you are obsessed with getting .3MOA, more power to you. I admire your tenacity in that persuit. AS for me I am happy with what I have.

El Lobo

[DanSavage]

When I first got my 10fp w/accu trigge, flimsy plastic stock, with 24'' barrel I started with the 150 grain Federal fusions. I shot a few to get the scope dialed in and then shot a three shot group of about 1.5" at 100 yards, but the barrel was pretty hot by then. A little while after I left the gravel pit where I was shooting I knew I just wasn't satisfied with the group, I felt my barrel and it felt pretty cool turned around and went back I shot a three shot group just a whisker under 1 MOA . I was actually really happy and then the next I tried Prvi Partezan 150 soft points and could get .75 at 100 consistantly, but I would shoot and shoot getting blown primer's on 90 degree day's, but a few year's ago I didn't know that was from high pressure, I thought it was just cheap junk case's ???. I must say besides that Pravi ammo I've never had another blown primer, now that I reload with 1000 rounds through it I am currently using 2 pretty stout loads. I switched to the 175 grain SMK's with 44 grains of varget or 44 grain's IMR 4064, the gun has a short throat as a side note. The Varget load is average of 2650 fps and 4064 is 2680, .5 or less five shot groups at 100. I have shot some really really great groups with this rifle, the best 3 shot was .018 but I have been able to hover in the .3 range but it takes demanding consistency in shooting these groups, at least for me.

Dan

[frank1947]

This is what i did today 200 yards

http://s732.photobucket.com/albums/ww321/fjmcm_1947/30BR/

I could not figure out how to put a picture in here, you have to look way back and to the right to see a little white of the target

[DanSavage]

That sure is an awesome build you've got there Frank :o. Would you be so kind to give detailed rifle spec's and load spec's, great shooting! I've been thinking about building a 30BR myself for short range F-class.

Dan

[frank1947]

Dansavage thank you, I hope to do better tommorow when I go to a real range and a nice fixed bench.

wells it a krieger barrel 1/17 twist and .330 neck, 25 inches long a leupold 45x scope, mcmillan edge stock, and a savage target action, barrel and action work done by Lester Bruno, I loaded 34.4 grs of H4198 and I use Ronnie Cheeks 118-9 ogive bullets and that target were shot with a .010 jump, I been shooting at the lands , just happen to try this today, going to do one more test tommorow, got to get ready match on Sunday, I shoot this gun in VFS Varmit for score it is a 100 and 200 yard game.

Should you build one you have to turn necks down to .010 thickness then use a .324 bushing that will give a loaded round of .329.

make sure they use the robinet reamer 0 freebore, if you want to do a drop in shilen has the right reamer, I am thinking of doing another with shilen barrel same twist but in a number 7 contour and a savage varmit action with DBM I have one in a 6mm br I can just swap barrels same go-gage.

[DanSavage]

Thanks Frank.
Best regards
Dan