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GaCop
08-03-2011, 07:06 AM
rsbhunter

why would a stiffer action lead to an increase in accuracy

Because the "action" is holding the "tuning fork" which effects barrel vibrations and flexing.

Note the heavier and the larger diamete the barrel the less this has effects, with sporting weight barrels being effected the most. And the Enfield rifle only had one bedding screw. ;)


The Enfield action is notorious for flexing and the rear lock up bolt doesn't help either. Yes, the Enfield can be made to shoot but it takes a lot of work and the bedding process is so different from Mauser style actions.

bigedp51
08-03-2011, 09:35 AM
GaCop

The Enfield action is notorious for flexing and the rear lock up bolt doesn't help either. Yes, the Enfield can be made to shoot but it takes a lot of work and the bedding process is so different from Mauser style actions.

And the Remington 788 had rear locking lugs but Americans didn't complain about a "inherently weak" action that flexed. The action screws and the stock are the "hand" that holds the tuning fork barrel and can control barrel vibrations.

And military Mauser rifles had barrels "tuned" by the "steps" cut in the barrel at the vibration node points.

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And the Enfield rifle was designed to shoot round holes in square heads. ;)

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davemuzz
08-04-2011, 06:06 PM
I've been away for a few days......but it's good to see you guys haven't let the subject....let's say....fade away!!! I'm crackin up over here!!!

bigedp51
08-04-2011, 08:33 PM
I've been away for a few days......but it's good to see you guys haven't let the subject....let's say....fade away!!! I'm crackin up over here!!!

I'm cracking up too davemuzz. ;D


Savage Arms Customer Service
Frequently Asked Questions
What is the torque spec for the action screws on Savage rifle stocks?
Accustock models -40 inch pounds (including wedge screw)
Centerfire w/ synthetic stock -30-35 inch pounds
Centerfire w/ wood stock - 30-35 inch pounds
Centerfire w/ laminate stock - 30-35 inch pounds
Rimfire w/ any stock - 15 inch pounds

Thats funny, not "ONE" word about hand tight. ::)

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sharpshooter
08-04-2011, 09:45 PM
That's funny....When I toured the plant, I talked with several assemblers while we was ambling our way through the plant and finally to the guy who was assembling my rifle. I watched him put together several units while we were visiting and not once did he put a torque wrench on an action screw.
The only thing he put a torque wrench on was the trigger. After the trigger is installed and adjusted, the safety is set to the "ON" position and 40 ft/lbs of torque is applied to the trigger via a special adapter to make sure that the safety still performed with induced stretch on the trigger bracket.
When you do the same thing 100's of times a day, you get to know what "hand tight" is.

It goes to show ya that there are individuals out there that have common sense and good judgement. Torque is torque, not matter what the situation. I could torque a screw @ 40 in/lbs and it could be cross threaded, which would give you a totally false sense of security.

bigedp51
08-04-2011, 10:02 PM
Now that is funny, I spent over 25 years as a quality control inspector working at a military overhaul base working on aircraft. What is not funny is its always the same know it alls who think they are smarter than the average bear and don't have to torque anything to set standards.

In a class we asked the mechanics to torque a bolt to 40 inch pounds with a open end wrench and using their best guess at the torque. Not one person was even close to the mark and the majority were way over 40 inch pounds.

Thats why the cave man below was called Primitive Pete. We called these know it all people hammer and chisel mechanics.

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