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    MIL scope - HELP please

    English major speaking here...........pls hold onto that.

    LONG time user of MOA - think cross-hair reticle...1960's, 70's and 80's all the way up to now...trying hard to understand MIL. Everywhere I look - online - it seems everyone wants to expain what MIL is. OK - got that. Thank you. As I understand it - MIL is basically in tenths - not 1/4 inches. I'm working on making that transition.....

    What I'm looking for and can't find is a plain language, simple tutorial on how to use MIL. Please know - I'm not asking anyone here to respond with a long post on how. Just looking for someone to watch on my computer screen who can talk to a real beginner on MIL. NOT what it is - but how to use it.

    This may all sound silly to you Math majors. :-) Sorry if I've confused anyone here. I'm strongly committed to learning MIL. My new Zeiss S3 is testimony to that. If you can guide me to a simple, "basics" video which might help, I'd appreciate it.

    Many thanks.

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    1 mil is 3.6 inches at 100 yards
    1/10 mil is .36 inches (rather than the 1/4 inch of a MOA)
    3/10 mil is just over an inch at 100 (1.08 to be exact)
    Therefore
    1 mil is 36 inches at 1000 yards
    1/10 mil is 3.6 inches at 1000 yards
    What more do you need? : )
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robinhood View Post
    1 mil is 3.6 inches at 100 yards
    1/10 mil is .36 inches (rather than the 1/4 inch of a MOA)
    3/10 mil is just over an inch at 100 (1.08 to be exact)
    Therefore
    1 mil is 36 inches at 1000 yards
    1/10 mil is 3.6 inches at 1000 yards
    What more do you need? : )
    Not doubting or questioning a word you said. All correct. I appreciate your post. I really do. I envy how quickly you (and everyone else) can do that math. :-)

    I'm just trying to better understand MIL when I'm looking thru my scope...listening to my spotter...or maybe have no spotter? I know this will eventually all make sense to me. Eventually. And I know more time / experience behind the scope will help - A LOT. Right now, it's a work in progress as I very much want to catch up to everyone who is using MIL and all its advantages.

    As you've pointed out - it's likely not all that complicated. I've just not connected all the MIL dots yet.

    Thanks again.

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    You have the desire. That tells me it will come to you. When it does you will have that aha moment.

    When you go to shoot. Put your target at 100 yds. Zero your rifle and get a new target up. Shoot a bullseye. Then dial or hold over 1 mil. See how much the impact moves. Then do .2 mills, .3 mils, .4 mils etc. One click(.1 mil) will move your 100 yd POI .36 of an inch(in a perfect world), at 200 yds that .1 mil should be .72". At 300 yds it should be 1.08". You should see exactly double or 2x what you saw at 100 yds. at 300 yds you should see 3x the change in POI. From there on out to infinity it is the same thing. it is an angle that extends to infinity. Repeat doing 1 mil or 10 clicks then 2 mil.you wont see much at first but after .3 mills you should notice the change in POI. You will imediately see it when you go to moving a full mil. If you can move to 200 yds. then 300 etc...

    every time you go out in distance you factor in the range.

    .1 mil at 100 yds: .36 (up down left or right)
    .1 mil at 550 yds: .36 x 5.5 = 1.98" (or 2 inches) 5.5 represents 550 yds
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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    Above is good info- I may try to simple it down even more for a few concepts- and when time allows will find a few good videos that can help.

    When you zero at 100 yards your scope and rifle are aiming at the exact same point. If you then dial your scope you are making an angular adjustment from the position of the scope. Think about a protractor... and how the lines get further away from each other the further you go. That is how mil/moa work- if you move your reticle 1" at 100 yards it moves it 2" at 200- and 10" at 1000.

    So you are not really making adjustments in inches or cm.... but rather making angular adjustments (that do correspond to a given number of inches at a specific distance).

    And how you use it is going to a ballistics calculator and finding your data. With a 6.5cm I have 315 inches of bullet drop to shoot 1000 yards (a slow factory load) so you need to dial 30 moa (8.7 mil) and then just hold on your center crosshair. Then you use the reticle in the scope to make adjustments. If you hit 30" low at 1000 yards it is hard to know what that looks like because how do you measure 30" through a scope at 1000 yards? So instead you just use the reticle (measuring tape) in the scope. You see that you hit 3 moa low (or however many tenths of a mil) and just make the adjustment with your scope.

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    Well put.
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is alive and well.

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